Newbie trying to make plays....

[ldavidjm]

#Game No : 2322893270
***** Hand History for Game 2322893270 *****
NL Hold'em $5 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13718216 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, July 07, 01:11:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 35319 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: moondrop ( $675 )
Seat 2: Sunnyho88 ( $935 )
Seat 3: CALBOY ( $825 )
Seat 4: ldavidjm2 ( $775 )
Seat 5: mico1231 ( $820 )
Seat 6: elwood22 ( $775 )
Seat 7: cjonesy ( $580 )
Seat 8: kloke18 ( $900 )
Seat 9: wanker751 ( $810 )
Seat 10: awkuan ( $905 )
Trny:13718216 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ldavidjm2 [ 8d 8c ]
wanker751 folds.
awkuan folds.
moondrop raises [30].
Sunnyho88 folds.
CALBOY folds.
ldavidjm2 calls [30].
mico1231 folds.
elwood22 calls [30].
cjonesy calls [20].
kloke18 calls [15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 4s, Jh ]
cjonesy bets [200].
kloke18 folds.
moondrop folds.
ldavidjm2 is all-In [745]
elwood22 is all-In [745]
cjonesy is all-In [350]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Results in white (hopefully)
<font color="white">
cjonesy shows [ 3d, 3s ] two pairs, jacks and threes.
ldavidjm2 shows [ 8d, 8c ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
elwood22 shows [ Js, Ts ] a full house, Jacks full of tens.
elwood22 wins 390 chips from side pot #1 with a full house, Jacks full of tens.
elwood22 wins 1800 chips from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of tens.
</font>
Obviously in this one it was early and my thinking was this, the PF raiser is out, nobody fastplays a jack like that at a 5, everyone likes to slowplay, and on these paired boards, a lot of times the guy with the 4 or a small pocket pair thinks he's gods gift to mankind and overbets like that, so I'm ahead of 7's and down and A4, and behind to any jack or higher PP which seems unlikely since the PF raiser is gone and there wasn't a reraise on the min raise. Obviously once button calls I'm screwed but should I be worrying about a player behind me when a situation like this comes up? Should I even be playing 88 in a min raised pot?

2nd Hand
#Game No : 2322880096
***** Hand History for Game 2322880096 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13718236 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, July 07, 01:08:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 35062 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: la_rand ( $800 )
Seat 5: gvaness ( $755 )
Seat 6: philly_duce ( $600 )
Seat 2: msimon21 ( $770 )
Seat 10: david057 ( $795 )
Seat 9: ldavidjm2 ( $775 )
Seat 3: bigal2009 ( $845 )
Seat 7: blindbob67 ( $790 )
Seat 1: pobox ( $260 )
Seat 8: pirk123 ( $1610 )
Trny:13718236 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ldavidjm2 [ Ah Ks ]
la_rand folds.
gvaness folds.
philly_duce calls [15].
blindbob67 folds.
pirk123 raises [30].
ldavidjm2 calls [30].
david057 folds.
pobox folds.
msimon21 folds.
bigal2009 folds.
philly_duce calls [15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 3h, 5h ]
philly_duce checks.
pirk123 bets [65].
ldavidjm2 calls [65].
philly_duce calls [65].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
philly_duce checks.
pirk123 bets [125].
ldavidjm2 is all-In [680]
philly_duce folds.
pirk123 calls [555].
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
Results in White
<font color="white">
pirk123 shows [ 9h, 9d ] a pair of nines.
ldavidjm2 shows [ Ah, Ks ] high card ace.
pirk123 wins 1670 chips from the main pot with a pair of nines.
ldavidjm2 finished in tenth place.
ldavidjm2 has left the table.
</font>
90% of the time I reraise PF, I'm not sure why I didn't other than I don't like committing 100 or more chips PF very early like this without a high pocket pair, and I can't really push this...

I don't know I don't like committing another 125 chips just to see another card, and I figured with a scary as hell board out there, me having a ton of outs if I'm called that its a decent play. Again there's the consideration of the guy behind me but I think I get a fold from a typical player often enough to make this worth it?? Or am I way off here? Thanks all.

[The Yugoslavian]

FYT

Yugoslav

[asherpuppy]

Bluff pushes are a losing proposition early in $5 tourneys, don't bother trying them. People will call you with marginal hands that are nonetheless better than yours. It's a hugely -$EV play.

You have to raise pf with AK.

[ldavidjm]

FYT? I just actually checked the microlimit FAQ for what that means and didn't find anything =(

[HoldingFolding]

Fixed Your Title the bastard offspring of Fixed Your Post

[unreal_nh]

i didnt really read any of it, i was sort of involved with south park....the part where it said should i even be involved in a miniraised pot with 88 was all that jumped out at me. i think this is one of the best times to play it (when the blinds are low) because the implied odds when u hit your set are pretty tasty. gl.

[gildwulf]

[ QUOTE ]
FPS

Yugoslav

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

[microbet]

Two great lessons for the $6s here.

You can not bluff people off, even when they have weak hands.

You can bet large when you really hit your hand and get paid.

[yabastid]

Listen to the Yugoslavian, he is giving you the best advice you can get right now. Don't get fancy at the 5's b/c it's donk-o-rama and your chit is gonna get called. Play solid poker. The best part of your play was not raising with AK in the second hand- do you see why? The worst part is pushing at rags when you have Ace high. AK in the early levels of a tourny can easily be your demise. I find limping with it through the first 3 levels works best for me (other players with different styles may disagree). If you limp and flop TPTK with it, most opponents won't give you credit for your hand and you can, at times, build a healthy stack. The problem with raising with it early (and especially at the lower levels) is that donkeys will call with a ton of garbage and it's very hard to push them of a hand. Then when you whiff the flop where does that leave you? A continuation bet may work, but it will also be chopping your stack and if you get reraised you have to fold you are then fighting an uphill battle.
Don't make moves (especially at the $5's!!), just play sound poker and the results will follow.


yabastid

[tlow03]

Playing the 5+1 on party means you are paying 20% rake which is a hell of a lot. In the early stages of the tournament, especially at the lower levels, it doesn't make sense to try to make plays. There are many players who are not very good who often "nuke" themselves. In my experience middle pairs are calling hands for unraised pots preflop and nothing more... you are lookin to hit a set. Tryin to make a play in the early stages of a tournament is not a good idea. Play solid until the late stages.

[kasey2004]

[ QUOTE ]
Two great lessons for the $6s here.

You can not bluff people off, even when they have weak hands.

You can bet large when you really hit your hand and get paid.


[/ QUOTE ]

well stated simple as it gets.

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[Big Limpin']

Every time you want to "make a play" in a 5+1, just take out your lighter and a $1 bill and burn it. Then make the "normal" play.
You will come out ahead using my method.

BL'

[DJ Sensei]

On the second hand, you could consider raising on the flop. You have the nut flush draw and two potentially very live overcards (making you a favorite against a lower pair, if you get to see the turn and river). Raise the flop bet to 150, chase off any riff raff (or get more out of other drawing hands, which are behind you right now), and get a free turn card. If he pushes back on the flop, or calls and bets the turn, you can check your odds and see where you want to go from there.

[tminus]

[ QUOTE ]
The best part of your play was not raising with AK in the second hand

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
just play sound poker

[/ QUOTE ]


impossible

[junkmail3]

[ QUOTE ]
Every time you want to "make a play" in a 5+1, just take out your lighter and a $1 bill and burn it. Then make the "normal" play.
You will come out ahead using my method.

BL'

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm going to start doing this. Should I adjust and use a $5 because I play higher buy-ins?

[Phill S]

Want a sound bite?

"Dont get fancy when plain and simple will do"

Phill