Top set at Commerce 9/18

[onegymrat]

Game is nine-handed and rather loose-passive for now. Three limpers to me in the CO with 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, I raise. I fold the button but blinds call as do limpers. Six to the flop.

FLOP: 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif3 /images/graemlins/club.gif (12 SBs)

Checked to me, I bet. I whisper to the Button, "I have top set. If I lose this hand, I'm going to s**t in my pants." Of course, this statement can only come after a couple of rather tough beats. Two callers to MP (fairly new to table. Pretty loose aggressive but plays well postflop. Something about him shows me trickiness, can't quite pin it down.) who check-raises. Two folds to me, I 3-bet. One more folder, one caller, MP caps. We call. Three to the turn.

TURN: 10x (12.5 BBs)

BB checks, MP checks, I bet. BB folds. MP calls. Headsup.

RIVER: Jx (14.5 BBs)

MP checks, I bet, MP check-raises. What the...??!! Options are to call or reraise.

[milesdyson]

he would probably raise JJ/TT preflop, and there's no way (i hope) that he capped Q9 or 97 on that flop.

i think you have to 3-bet this. he'll have 44/33 most often.

[rmarotti]

CAPPUCINO! And don't say stuff like that at the table.

[mdeck]

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CAPPUCINO! And don't say stuff like that at the table.

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Haha /images/graemlins/grin.gif Couldn't be put better.

[onegymrat]

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i think you have to 3-bet this. he'll have 44/33 most often.

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Easily agreed and I had my chips all ready to fire out 6 more red ones. However, should this unknown aggressive player had limped in with TT or JJ, I would hate to go to showdown when I could see it for two bets instead of four. On the surface, it looks more like J8 when he checked the turn without a raise, but the river seems more complicated than one would initially see.

[jjacky]

lemme guess: he made trip jacks on the river and you filled your pants /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[onegymrat]

Yes, but I excused myself from the table before doing so.

[mtdoak]

I make it 3 and start cursing if he caps. He's prolly got you on a big pair and made some crappy two pair (34s? perhaps?, 33, 44?)

[Malachii]

Bad beat, I would've 3 bet too. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

How is the 9/18 game there? I've heard that it's pretty loose, I've been trying to grind out a roll to play in it for a while.

[onegymrat]

I simply called after pondering a decision to raise for a little while. A gut instinct told me that he wouldn't go nuts on the river without something huge. As I said earlier, I wanted to see his cards for two bets and not for four. He chose to limp in with pocket jacks and takes the pot.

I was hoping to get more responses on this thread but I'm sure most of you would see it as I did, and would have popped him again because most players would raise pf with TT or JJ. However, he chose a great time to mix it up.

[onegymrat]

The games are very good. Part of what attracts me is that there are at least 5 games going consistently throughout the day. Last Friday, there were 9 tables running. The games house many different types of players so the pace of the games are not always consistent. You're right about having a padded bankroll here. You'll need to be comfortable with fluctuations or else you could get discouraged with a bad run of cards.

[brettbrettr]

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he would probably raise JJ/TT preflop

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After playing live yesterday for the first time in a casino, I'd say, no, there's no reason to think he's be raising these hands. I saw a ton of limping with them. A ton. I'd prob just call.

[HajiShirazu]

I would have called too, the river helped his hand in some way and him having limped in with JJ then going four bets on the flop is a lot more likely than somebody having played 44/33 like this and deciding to wait until the river, or somebody doing this with a worse hand.
Remember not long ago even in this forum there were lots of people who thought that you should limp in with JJ due to things like "keep the pot small and wait for a good flop so you can get people to fold overcards and won't have to call if overcards hit." There are plenty of players with this thinking still around, heck there are people who limp in with AA/KK for the same reasons, so they can "wait for a good flop." Of course these people then end up betting/raising and never fold no matter what hits anyway.