Instafold in the 33s?

[HoldingFolding]

33, Villain is a good aggressive blind stealer, but we haven't seen any of his cards.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1410)
SB (t2085)
Hero (t1920)
UTG (t725)
MP (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1410 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, Hero ????

[pearljam]

It's still an easy fold.

[Freudian]

I sometimes spitecall with A9 and often have the best hand. But the chip standings need to be more in my favour to do it.

[johnnybeef]

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33, Villain is a good aggressive blind stealer, but we haven't seen any of his cards.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1410)
SB (t2085)
Hero (t1920)
UTG (t725)
MP (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1410 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, Hero ????

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id say that 80% of the 33ers would instacall here. id also say that 80% of 33ers are losing players.

[lastchance]

Yeah, pretty easy fold.

[Sponger15SB]

This is most likely me, my range of hands here are like 32o - J4s

Call /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[psyduck]

hey spongey, can you explain to me why I should be sitting to the right of known pushers instead of the left? maybe this is stupid of me, but I'd rather know what your action is so that I can act on it.

bleh

[Karak567]

I called with A9s in the exact same situation the other night.

I believe I was wrong to do so and I am not being results oriented.

[treeofwisdom7]

his pushing range is really loose. AX K9 - 2s, broadway, pp, . wish i had my pokerstove but if thats his range i dont think its as clear of a fold

[ChuckNorris]

It is a call according to ICM, even if villain isn't stealing with every crappy A or pp. And if he is stealing with something like 25% of his hands it becomes a pretty clear call.

Winning would also put you in a pretty nice bubble situation. Not perfect though, since the short stack is on your left. But it seems like you should call, doesn't it? Without doing the calculations I would've probably advised to fold.

[imcastleman]

I think most will disagree with you. I love having the short stack on my left. Maybe someone else can take the time to explain but I'm a bit too busy right now.

[ChuckNorris]

I think I disagree with me too, after giving some thought to it.. At first I just figured that having shortie on your right would be ideal, since you could push just about every time after him folding pf. If his on your left, he could pick up on your bullying and double up with any decent hand.

But of course it's not so cool to have shortie on your right since that (should) mean that he will often be the first one to push.

[eMarkM]

If this guy has been stealing liberally, I call. It's not a "spite" call or fishy. If you can't call here, this guy is basically correct to steal with just about anything. You must gamble with A-high in these situations. You end up busting 4th and 5th a lot, but the other times you're the table leader and score more 1st places finishs. That, and others will be far less likely to steal on you when they know you'll call with moderate hands.

Those who say "easy fold", what are your calling standards at 200/100 blinds with this guy pushing a lot?

[gumpzilla]

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hey spongey, can you explain to me why I should be sitting to the right of known pushers instead of the left? maybe this is stupid of me, but I'd rather know what your action is so that I can act on it.

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Basically, the idea is that postflop positional advantages aren't worth considering in Party SNGs, and then on top of that, even if you know they are pushing with any two it can frequently be incorrect to call anyway. Furthermore, this type of player probably also has an appropriately tight calling range to make your own stealing from them easier. You'd rather take your chances with somebody who won't steal often enough and then be in position to steal from the good player.

[gisb0rne]

If ICM says this is a call then what reasoning are some of you using to justify a fold? You can't just say "easy fold", have that contradicted by the number crunching, and expect us to buy it.

I'm genuinely interested because I would probably fold this but I have no rational reason for it that I can formulate into words.

From SnG PT:
22+, A2+, KQ, KJs gives +0.0%. My raising range from the button is wider than that.
22+, A2+, K2+, Q9+ gives +1.7%, a clear call.

[ChuckNorris]

The best argument I can think of is that they wanna wait for better opportunities later.