Bankroll Building

[MuckedTheNuts]

I have just recently completed my first 100 and my roi for the $11 buyins is 17.6%. I started with 90 dollars go I am happy to now be over $300, but what is the best way to continue to build my bankroll? I have seen homers post about bonus whoring, is that the best way to go (with $100 or so)? Or is just grinding it out on the $11 a good idea? Thanks for the input.

[Cunning Linguist]

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what is the best way to continue to build my bankroll?

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keep winning tourneys.

[Shilly]

Bonus whoring generally requires you to play ring games, and not SNGs. If you can find a nice bonus that you can clear playing SNGs, go for it. However, if you feel uncomfortable playing ring games, just stick with SNGs and move up when you feel comfortable and as your bankroll permits.

[johnnybeef]

bonus whoring is without a doubt the best way to build a roll. check out his thread and follow his advice. remember one thing though, if you plan on playing sngs seriiously, make sure you get rakeback on the party accounts.

[Big Limpin']

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I have just recently completed my first 100 [@]$11 [ROI of] 17.6%. I started with 90 dollars go I am happy to now be over $300, but what is the best way to continue to build my bankroll?

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Do 100 more 11s. I mean it. GL.

[TheNoodleMan]

Bonus whoring is great, but only if you can play ring games. If you can break even playing .50/1 or 1/2 Limit (and plenty of winning SNG players can't) , then bonus whoring is a great way to get started. If you don't know how to play limit, its a great way to lose your modest bankroll.
oh and one more thing... RAKEBACK! RAKEBACK! RAKEBACK!

[johnnybeef]

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Bonus whoring is great, but only if you can play ring games. If you can break even playing .50/1 or 1/2 Limit (and plenty of winning SNG players can't) , then bonus whoring is a great way to get started. If you don't know how to play limit, its a great way to lose your modest bankroll.
oh and one more thing... RAKEBACK! RAKEBACK! RAKEBACK!

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i could teach a monkey how to show a profit at the 1/2 on party.

[vindikation]

Just 4 table the Party $25NL games like the first 2 rounds of an SnG and you will at the very worst you will break even and win the bonus amount.

[Phill S]

There are several sites out there that offer bonuses that can be cleared with SnGs if you dont mind leaving party.

Start with pokerroom, followed by betonbet (pokerroom skin) - the SnGs there are too easy (and i love it). pokerroom has other skins, but they are only browser based without a downloadable client. If you can stand this, then you can do them too.

Whenever stars has a bonus, deposit and withdraw straight away, there are no time limits and the bonuses are stackable. Once you have done the pokerroom and betonbet sign up bonuses, go to stars and clear the ones you have built up, when a new reload opens at pokerroom, go back and do that one if you wish.

Once youve done this for a couple of months, your roll will be well padded and you should be a lot better than you were before. Now go play party with rakeback if you so wish.

You could effectively never play without a bonus using this method, and you can get rakeback at betonbet for definate (this can be used with your bonus as well) and im 99% sure you can get RB for pokerroom. Stars you cant, but their bonuses are much easier to clear if memory serves.

Playing with bonuses should add in the region of 7-10% on your ROI. The only difficulty is getting used to slightly different SnG formats.

Hope this helps someone,

Phill

[keithb]

I get a lot of flack for this, but I primarily play the $5.50 SNGs to build my bankroll - only the sites with 10% juice. At any rate, I've playd about 400 of them and have built my initial $100 to $825. I pulled out my $100 and now I'm playing with winnings.

Even though many beat me up about playing the lower limits, I want to get to $1K before making a dedicated effort at the $11s. I've played 68 of them and have a decent ROI, but I've had strong variance, which fires me up when I drop 8 in a row at the $11s in a way that doesn't fire me up when I drop 8 in a row at the $5.50s.

Also, if you are not doing so, multi-table. You can get in many more games in a quicker fashion. I'm now playing 4-6 tables of $5.50 SNGs on various sites at the same time.

Plenty of action and big cards for the tighty-tight players like me.

[brimstone1]

With $300, you could make a good net profit of $250-$350 doing casino bonuses (blackjack).

PM me if you're interested, I don't have the URL for the guide "on me" right now.

[stillbr]

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With $300, you could make a good net profit of $250-$350 doing casino bonuses (blackjack).

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I dont recomend doing this... you will have a much higher ROR(risk of ruin) doing this than you would if you are a winning poker player. It would not be smart to risk your entire br doing this.

Bonus whoring will work if you are good at ring games, but it seems like you've strictly played sng's. I second the "play 100 more $11's"

[mlagoo]

So I just did a search for this and for whatever reason I'm completely incapable of using the search feature properly.

Can I get rakeback on an existing party account? If not, is there any way to create a new party account without using a family member's name/CC info?

I play a lot of SNGs in my spare time (not a pro or even a semipro, but I would say I play around ~40 SNGs per week), and would love to get back some of that money I'm giving party every time I sit down.

[brimstone1]

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Can I get rakeback on an existing party account? If not, is there any way to create a new party account without using a family member's name/CC info?

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No.

Open an account with a party skin (empire, multi, intertops).

You'll find instructions on the rakeback sites/etc you find.

[Scuba Chuck]

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I get a lot of flack for this, but I primarily play the $5.50 SNGs to build my bankroll

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Who gives you flack? Have them come talk to me. I'll be your heavy.

Scuba

[mlagoo]

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Can I get rakeback on an existing party account? If not, is there any way to create a new party account without using a family member's name/CC info?

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No.

Open an account with a party skin (empire, multi, intertops).

You'll find instructions on the rakeback sites/etc you find.

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Thanks a lot. These sites, I'm assuming, pull from the same playerbase as Party? I mean, same quantity of players, same percentage of fish ( /images/graemlins/cool.gif), et cetera? Or does skins just mean it looks the same?

I'm a n00b at playing anything other than party =/

[iMsoLucky0]

Go to this post.

Building a bankroll (For newbies) (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=1060198&PHPSES SID=&fpart=1#Post1060198)

[gisb0rne]

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Now go play party with rakeback if you so wish.


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Why do people keep saying play Party with rakeback when that doesn't exist any more? If you mean a Party skin, say it.

I personally play my SnG's at Pokerstars. You can play the 15+1 turbo's and not only will you work off your bonus (unlike Party and skins) but you pay less rake than you do at Party skins, even if you factor in their rakeback. 15+1 is like getting 33% rakeback.

[Unoriginalname]

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I get a lot of flack for this, but I primarily play the $5.50 SNGs to build my bankroll - only the sites with 10% juice. At any rate, I've playd about 400 of them and have built my initial $100 to $825. I pulled out my $100 and now I'm playing with winnings.

Even though many beat me up about playing the lower limits, I want to get to $1K before making a dedicated effort at the $11s. I've played 68 of them and have a decent ROI, but I've had strong variance, which fires me up when I drop 8 in a row at the $11s in a way that doesn't fire me up when I drop 8 in a row at the $5.50s.

Also, if you are not doing so, multi-table. You can get in many more games in a quicker fashion. I'm now playing 4-6 tables of $5.50 SNGs on various sites at the same time.

Plenty of action and big cards for the tighty-tight players like me.

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Nothing wrong with playing the $5+0.50's. Not a bad place to start if you want to play SnG's and don't have a huge bankroll. Now if you said you played the party skins $5+1 SnG's I'd have to smack you around a bit...

[zambonidrivr]

at 300 i rec playing the party $10's.

[keithb]

lol, thanks!

[TWINUNO]

Which site would be the easiest to bonus whore through SNG? Inter Poker also has a 300 300% deposit bonus, you have to play 3000 raked hands 5< greater pot with in a year.

[11t]

You need like 500-1000 dollars to bonus whore correctly.

There is also a good chance you are just experiencing a period of positive variance.

I'd suggest not cashing out any money and continuing to play tournaments as you have been to build your br.

[Ogre]

I think the best thing to do is grind the 11s

[TheNoodleMan]

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Why do people keep saying play Party with rakeback when that doesn't exist any more? If you mean a Party skin, say it.

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because they are the same thing. If you want to pick nits, fine, but its no way to learn around here.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Bonus whoring is great, but only if you can play ring games. If you can break even playing .50/1 or 1/2 Limit (and plenty of winning SNG players can't) , then bonus whoring is a great way to get started. If you don't know how to play limit, its a great way to lose your modest bankroll.
oh and one more thing... RAKEBACK! RAKEBACK! RAKEBACK!

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i could teach a monkey how to show a profit at the 1/2 on party.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you, but that doesn't mean that he should plunge his roll into limit ring games if he doesn't know what he is doing.
That being said, I think the bonus circuit is good for developing players. Many noobs arrive with only the knowledge they've gleaned from the WPT, and limit is a great way to learn the fundementals.

[MuckedTheNuts]

Hey everyone thanks for all of the help. I have read a couple books and have played a little limit poker and I think I am confident enough in my limit skills that I think I will give the bonuses a try and see how it goes. I will continue to play the sngs as well and hopefully soon have enough to move up.