Counting Overcard Outs

[mojobluesman]

Here's another hand where I had Overcards and I wasn't sure how many outs to give myself credit for. How many?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP3 checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

[mmmmmbrother]

good fold. given the flop and the bet out, you may already be behind. in on this flop i probably wouldnt even give 3 outs for your QJ

[waynethetrain]

Not many.

The raiser could have AJ or AQ which would hurt you badly. Plus there are redraws to a possible STR8 or a better pair if he's got an A.

[thesharpie]

You have a backdoor flush draw to go along with your marginal overcard outs, I give you 3.75 outs. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[johnc]

Although your outs Js &amp; Qs probably won't make someone else's hand better, the chance is slim to win the hand for you though. The board's too coordinated to hope they'll hold up esp with the betting - good fold in a smallish pot.

[no1super2001]

Here is a great exercise someone posted a while back.

Grunch it!!!!

I have gone back to it a couple of times myself.

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