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droolie

06-08-2005, 10:36 AM

Hand 1:

MP 1 is a total LAG maniac and reraises with made hands or draws. UTG is reasonably normal loose nuetral.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP 3-bets, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Hand 2:

UTG is a total spaz maniac randomly bets and bets when he has it. He folds at odd times. He has a big stack and a table of TAG's trying to take it from him. Very fun table.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Button raises, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Hand 3:
Villian in this hand is very loose and passive (up untitl this hand that is...)

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero caps, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

River: (17.75 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.75 BB

Hand 4:
These guys were both loose and terrible. Their aggression meant power as they were typically very passive but there was no way to put them on a range of hands ewarly as they were sooooo looooooose.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

River: (13 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls $3.25 (All-In), CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.87 BB

Hand 5:

This guy has been betting when checked to aqll friggin day. He's a total maniac with ridiculous aggression pre and postflop.

I whiffed on a C/R on the river BTW.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

Hand 6:

Villian is a typical loose passive. I strongly suspect I'm behind on the turn. There are two flush cards that beat me on the river and I just call. Can somebody please locate and return my balls?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Hand 7:
BB is a total freak of a maniac (the one in hand 1). MP is a TAP and I have him on AA from the second he LRR's.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Hand 8:
Villian is the maniac from hands 1 and 7. I never limp with AA but really wanted to make sure this guy had a chance to give me his money as he was folding occassionally pf and I knew if I checked to him he would bet aggressively.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (2 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Hand 9:

Villian are unremarkable LAPs

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: (8.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Hand 10:
Villian is a LAG who berated me in the chatbox for the rest of the night after this hand. Did I deserve it?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (12 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Hand 11: Bonus hand (no content)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, CO folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB caps, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 9s 8d (straight, nine high).
Hero has 9h 8h (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.25 BB. BB wins 10.25 BB.

This came at the tail end of a major losing session. I don't think I've ever come closer to throwing a tantrum than I was after this hand. I forgot about the other players early in the hand and thought at the time I actually might have lost money with the mortal nuts after the rake. It was one of those nights. Last night wasn't too fun either as I had 4 boats sunk in under an hour. Unbelievable.

McGahee

06-08-2005, 11:04 AM

I'll look at the other hands later, but just looking at the first couple...
Yesterday you posted a hand where you capped the river with the non-nut flush on a paired board.
Now you're not capping with a full boat on a board full of straight & flush possibilities? WTF

Quercus

06-08-2005, 11:06 AM

You need to find your raise button more often.

On hands where you have a third player tagging along, you don't have to have the winner very often to make a cap correct with a monster hand.

mmmmmbrother

06-08-2005, 11:07 AM

why didnt you cap the river in hand1 you weren actually scared of the QJ of spades were you.

droolie

06-08-2005, 11:09 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I'll look at the other hands later, but just looking at the first couple...
Yesterday you posted a hand where you capped the river with the non-nut flush on a paired board.
Now you're not capping with a full boat on a board full of straight & flush possibilities? WTF

[/ QUOTE ]

Yesterday all those hands were losers. Today some of them are, some of them aren't. Some of these are tougher than they look. I'll give a $5 to the first person who can guess which hands were good, which were no good and which chopped in all 10 cases. (hint there is one chop besides hand 11)

Anybody who can guess villian's winning holdings in all the hands I lost to gets $10.

Only one guess each and NO EDITS!

McGahee

06-08-2005, 11:14 AM

Well, there's a reason why posting results is discouraged, right?
I guarantee you're good in hands' 1&2 far more than 33% of the time. In that hand yesterday, you're good less than 50% of the time after villian 3-bet.

deception5

06-08-2005, 11:20 AM

Hand 1: I like. When 3-bet on the river I agree it's time to just call.
Hand 2: The 3-bet is again a surprise here, I like not capping again.
Hand 3: I'm going broke here. If I'm against pocket queens or Q9/Q2/Q5 so be it, I think trips are much more likely.
Hand 4: This one is close - I would be tempted to put in another bet, but since you check/3-betted the turn and he's still not slowing down calling is probably ok.
Hand 5: I 3-bet preflop typically but calling to keep him aggressive is good too (although sometimes I find against this kind of player they will put you on a "steal" when you reraise and you make a bundle). I think betting and check/raising are close here on the river.
Hand 6: "There are two flush cards that beat me on the river and I just call. Can somebody please locate and return my balls?" lol - yeah I think you need to raise here /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Hand 7: Looks good. Your read appears accurate of mp although kings are still a possibility (as he could be scared of the q/7). I think you're up against 2-pair or trash often enough to call this, but I think raising would be too risky as even maniacs get cards sometimes /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Hand 8: I think this is fine preflop. I think I would 3-bet the river as I doubt he gives you credit for an 8 and could easily be playing a ten this way.
Hand 9: I think I would fold this on the flop. It's 3-way, you aren't closing the action and the pot is tiny. I don't think I want to fight over it with ace high and a gutshot. On the river I think you are up against 2-pair or a set a huge % of the time. You're only afraid of 46 here which is very unlikely so I would reraise 100% of the time.
Hand 10: Against a lag I think both of your cards are live here often enough (and the pot is large enough) to peel one off on the flop. Once the queen comes down there's no letting it go /images/graemlins/smile.gif

droolie

06-08-2005, 11:23 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Well, there's a reason why posting results is discouraged, right?
I guarantee you're good in hands' 1&2 far more than 33% of the time. In that hand yesterday, you're good less than 50% of the time after villian 3-bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

I actually agree that capping hand 1 is the correct play. I have been really terrible at turn and river play so far at 6-max. When I'm aggro I get shown the nuts. When I'm passive I miss serious value bets. Part of the reason why I posted this group is that I consistantly make the wrong choices with big hands that are not the nuts to the point were I'm really lacking the confidence necessary to be successful.

SomethingClever

06-08-2005, 11:23 AM

First 5 or 6 hands, I see about a trillion bets you missed.

Okay, so you didn't win all of these. Sometimes you lose with monsters. But usually you don't. Throw your chips in there.

droolie

06-08-2005, 11:30 AM

[ QUOTE ]
First 5 or 6 hands, I see about a trillion bets you missed.

Okay, so you didn't win all of these. Sometimes you lose with monsters. But usually you shouldn't . Throw your chips in there.

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP. LOL!

droolie

06-08-2005, 11:48 AM

There's money to be won here people!

[ QUOTE ]
I'll give a $5 to the first person who can guess which hands were good, which were no good and which chopped in all 10 cases. (hint there is one chop besides hand 11)

Anybody who can guess villian's winning holdings in all the hands I lost to gets $10.

Only one guess each and NO EDITS!

[/ QUOTE ]

Let's see your hand reading skillz.

MrWookie47

06-08-2005, 11:48 AM

Hand 1: Cap the river. You'll se a flush or straight often enough.

Hand 2: I don't think I like the TAG 3betting, but I probably cap anyway. I'm an ATM.

Hand 3: You lose to Q9 (2 ways), Q2 (6 ways), and QQ (1 way, unlikely). You beat 22 (3 ways). Will this guy play Qx this way? I think there's a decent chance of it. I raise the river, and call a 3bet.

Hand 4: I probably 3bet the river, and kick the cat when he shows me the house.

Hand 5: Going for a check/raise is daring. 4flush boards sometimes scare even LAGs. It's not terrible, though. Sucks that you missed.

Hand 6: A raise is close. It's probably for the best, but it's hard to do.

Hand 7: Sucks, but nice.

Hand 8: If he's really a maniac, I play it straight up. He'll give me his money.

Hand 9: Fold the frop.

Hand 10: Pot's huge. Nice.

Hand 11: SB paid $4 to the pot. You made a slight profit.

MrWookie47

06-08-2005, 11:55 AM

Alright, I'll take my stab at winning $5.

Hand 1: Win
Hand 2: Lose
Hand 3: Win
Hand 4: Chop
Hand 5: Win (obv. /images/graemlins/smile.gif )
Hand 6: Win
Hand 7: Lose
Hand 8: Lose
Hand 9: Win
Hand 10: Win

MrWookie47

06-08-2005, 11:59 AM

Ooops. Didn't include hand reading for more (slight) +EV.

Hand 2: Lost to KJ.
Hand 7: Lost to Qx.
Hand 8: Lost to J9.

droolie

06-08-2005, 12:11 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Ooops. Didn't include hand reading for more (slight) +EV.

Hand 2: Lost to KJ.
Hand 7: Lost to Qx.
Hand 8: Lost to J9.

[/ QUOTE ]

BTW Qx and that type of guess count if the suits and kicker don't matter in your reads.

Nice guesses wookie but alas you are not the winner.

imported_exelius

06-08-2005, 02:46 PM

Ok I'm new myself, but I'll analyze here : )

1. Win UTG maybe has 2 spades.
2. Lose Button has Jx
3. Lose BB has Qx clubs?
4. Win or split CO maybe 54o or 63o
5. Win UTG Kx maybe?
6. Win I would have floded preflop but... SB maybe Jx?
7. Lose BB maybe Qx or 7x, MP AA,QQ?
8. Lose Would have raised on the flop but... BB has an 8.
9. Win UTG maybe JJ
10. Win Would have folded PF again but... SB maybe QJ?
11. Win BB maybe KJ,QJ,AJ

I'm a noob though, but curious howd I fair?

Thanks,

Ex

DeathDonkey

06-08-2005, 04:40 PM

Hand 1: I'd cap the river since you have dead money in there.
Hand 2: I'd cap the river and feel very good about my hand here. Much better than in Hand 1.
Hand 3: I like it.
Hand 4: I like it.
Hand 5: Awful spot to try and checkraise the river. I'd think about 3 betting preflop and I'd do it for sure if he is a maniac.
Hand 6: I'd raise the river and probably fold to a 3 bet.
Hand 7: Get more money in on the turn. Your only possibly behind a maniac and even if you are you have good equity 3 ways. I would have led the flop btw and I think its much better to do so.
Hand 8: Eww, ick, ugh, ack. I hate this kind of "tricky" crap. I raise preflop because I'm raising tons of hands there preflop and if he folds I'll get over it. I would never check/call and then check raise the turn against a maniac because that doesn't give him much of a chance to go crazy and it represents a ton of strength. You should also think about 3 betting the river if he is a real maniac. Ugh don't do this crap your out thinking yourself.
Hand 9: I'd fold on the flop, bet the turn, and 3 bet the river. He has JT.
Hand 10: Eh its ok. Loose flop call.
Hand 11: Raise preflop.

-DeathDonkey

milesdyson

06-08-2005, 07:02 PM

1: I'd cap the river.
2: I'd fold preflop. I'd also lead the river. Calling a raise would be the correct move after button slowed down on the scary turn.
3: I think it's fine.
4: Lead the turn. You don't want this getting checked through 3-way. River is fine.
5: 3-betting preflop is good against him. As you played it (which is fine against a maniacal bettor), you have to bet the river. If he doesn't have a club, he will think you have one.
6: Gay. Think about possible hands he bets on the turn.
7: Fine.
8: Okay, you limped. I don't like postflop though. I would either bet or check raise the flop, or c/c flop, c/c turn, and bet river. Your turn check raise has too much chance to blow him out.
9: Check fold or bet the flop. Since you check called, you should just lead the turn, probably being willing to fold to a raise.
10: I don't think the flop call is profitable.

droolie

06-09-2005, 08:49 PM

I can't believe more of you didn't try to win my $$...

Here's the reality...

Hand 1: Lose 99
Hand 2: Lose KK
Hand 3: Win
Hand 4: Lose 77
Hand 5: Win
Hand 6: Win
Hand 7: Lose 7T
Hand 8: Lose 96
Hand 9: chop
Hand 10: Win