QQ after a limp reraiser.

[Myst]

#Game No : 2157363231
***** Hand History for Game 2157363231 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12824411 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Sunday, June 05, 02:17:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 13969 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: denpasar ( $2215 )
Seat 3: Mystakened ( $1850 )
Seat 4: BoyDoby ( $790 )
Seat 5: almostgone ( $1090 )
Seat 6: ACALI77 ( $515 )
Seat 7: Daschwas ( $1200 )
Seat 8: crush_diesel ( $340 )
Trny:12824411 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Mystakened [ Qc Qs ]
Daschwas calls [30].
crush_diesel folds.
denpasar calls [30].
Mystakened raises [125].
BoyDoby folds.
>You have options at Table 13850 Table!.
almostgone folds.
ACALI77 folds.
Daschwas calls [95].
>You have options at Table 14884 Table!.
denpasar raises [570].
>You have options at Table 14885 Table!.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
>You have options at Table 13850 Table!.
Mystakened is all-In [1725]
Daschwas folds.
denpasar calls [1250].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 2h, Tc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]

Ok, the guy limped in after another limper and then raised a substantial portion of my stack. I had been raising alot, but I couldnt say my image was loose b/c I had only shown KK.

I couldnt see anybody limping AA or KK behind a limper, so the only hands that made sense were TT, JJ, AK, AQ... Does that make sense to anybody else too?

[lastchance]

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I couldnt see anybody limping AA or KK behind a limper, so the only hands that made sense were TT, JJ, AK, AQ... Does that make sense to anybody else too?

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This is incorrect logic. Correct logic is "I have no reads, but my opponents suck enough here to limp reraise with smaller PP's and weak aces I completely pwn."

[Myst]

Lol do I really give my opponents too much credit? If he was first to act and limp-reraised me, I think QQ is an easy lay down, esp with the chip stacks that are about to be involved.

[lastchance]

I think you'll be surprised by the crap they turn over in this situation. I have seen limp reraises all-in with suited connectors, because they don't want to lay down. QQ isn't worth folding against only one opponent, no matter how much strength they show, especially at the $22's.

Yeah, I really think your giving your opponents too much credit. The average 2+2er probably has a 30% ROI against the average $22 table, because people will do incredibly stupid things like limp-reraise with 55.

[Myst]

Maybe you're right on this one.... I guess you only remember the times you have QQ vs AA and KK to a limp-reraise, then the other times they dont and have something else.

The thing that Ive noticed though is bet size. Generally speaking, most players who bet a huge amount of the pot, without going all in, HAVE a hand. When I say HAVE a hand, Im talking about AK, JJ+. Now combine that with the fact that they limped reraised me, and I give them even more credit. Against those hands, QQ is a coinflip. I know, I know, toss in some of those bluffs and it becomes an easy call, which is why I called in this one.

But it just sucks, ya know? When they have AA /images/graemlins/frown.gif Esp when you both have HUGE chip stacks 1700+

[Mr_J]

"The average 2+2er probably has a 30% ROI against the average $22 table"

Highly doubt it.

[lastchance]

Ok, I was exaggerating. But I'm saying there's a huge difference between the fish at the $22's and decent opposition.