Comps for Playing Poker

[moomoocow]

Hi there,

I'm curious to know what sort of comps you get for playing poker at Casinos. I know it's not as heavily comped as slots or other table games. What are the best casinos in Atlantic City in terms of comps?

Moo

[NoRiverRats]

It can range from nothing to very little. Depends on the casino. With some new rooms opening in Vegas recently posters here have written about $1 an hour or so. Don't expect much, enjoy the free drinks and you will never be disappointed.

If its comps you want, play BJ for four hours and day at $25-100 a hand and pray you don't hit a bad streak.

[Intrepid]

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If its comps you want, play BJ for four hours and day at $25-100 a hand and pray you don't hit a bad streak.

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Assuming you average $60 bet(s) per hand, 2 hands per minute, and use basic strategy for a house edge of 0.5%, the Expected Value of your 4 hours of play would be a loss of $144 (not including tips). [I'm not sure whether the 2 hands per minute assumption is realistic.] What type/value of comps will this earn?

[playersare]

not all AC poker rooms give comps to players. I'm sure the three large spots (Borg, Trop & Taj) do, but I know for a fact that Bally's and Harrah's do not (yet).

as for blackjack, the general rule of thumb is that you will get about 20% of your average flat bet returned to you in comps. if you assume basic strategy with AC rules is just under 0.5% house edge and you get dealt 60 hands an hour, then the comps are worth about 0.33%. the exception would be Harrah's and Showboat, where the Total Rewards program gives significantly less comps to table games in favor of slots and video poker.

in the long run, VP offers the fastest way to earn comps with relatively low bankroll risk. you won't make any significant money playing, but you can "pay" for meals and hotel rooms easier with 25c JoB than you would playing BJ for $25 a hand.

[PhatCasino]

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If its comps you want, play BJ for four hours and day at $25-100 a hand and pray you don't hit a bad streak.

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Assuming you average $60 bet(s) per hand, 2 hands per minute, and use basic strategy for a house edge of 0.5%, the Expected Value of your 4 hours of play would be a loss of $144 (not including tips). [I'm not sure whether the 2 hands per minute assumption is realistic.] What type/value of comps will this earn?

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this varies everywhere - but the standard is 40% of your average bet per hour. thus the $100 bettor is making $40/hr while the $10 bettor is making $4/hr, etc.....

exceptions would be if your a new player they will be extra generous or if your a regular player they will be extra generous... Just ask to be rated - and if your playing and the floor is in a good mood - you'll get food for sure and maybe a comped future visit.

If your winnning - make it appear as if your losing

[RollaJ]

Borgata, Trop and Taj offer comparable comps per hour. $.50 to $2 per hour based on the game. Taj and Borgata make it easier to get extra comps, as you just clock in when you sit down, and clock out whenever you choose..... at the Trop you only get rated as long as you have a seat at the table. Overall, Taj gives the most value in terms of comps

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this varies everywhere - but the standard is 40% of your average bet per hour. thus the $100 bettor is making $40/hr while the $10 bettor is making $4/hr, etc.....



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This is a HUGE overestimate. I used to be a BJ floor supervisor on the east coast.

Here is how the comp system breaks out.

up to 25$ avg bet: 10% comps on avg bet per hour. 10% x 25 = 2.50/hr.
26-100 avg bet gets 15% avg bet per hour. 100 x 15% = 15.00/hr

Over 100 gets around 20% of average bet per hour.

I'd love to find a casino that gives 40% avg bet per hour in comps. That's a little high though.

Comps on table games are based on the house edge of the game. Therefore BJ and Bacc get the least comps, then dice is next. The highest will be roulette as that has around a 5.3% house edge.

[Gumbo]

The Imperial Palace in Vegas comps $3/hour on their player's card. Does not matter what Limit or NL game you play.

VERY fishy place to play /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[Clarkmeister]

20% of your ADT.

[Intrepid]

I conclude from your figures that a basic strategy blackjack player cannot realize a positive EV (with comps) playing with a house edge of around 0.5% Are there any BJ games in Vegas that have a much lower house edge following basic strategy? Any "Pontoon" games or other BJ variations like can be found at internet casinos?

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Actually .5% is too low for a standard BJ game. The lowest as calculated with rules variations from wizardofodds.com in las Vegas is 0.8%. That game is at the Plaza. Rule variations and their % can calculated based on the game you are playing.
A standard 6-8 deck shoe game has a house edge closer to 1.5 - 1.8%

The EV is always going to be - for a basic strategy player. Overall, BJ in Vegas has gone to hell. I know nothing about internet casinos as that is an automatic -EV just to enter them.

[playersare]

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Actually .5% is too low for a standard BJ game. The lowest as calculated with rules variations from wizardofodds.com in las Vegas is 0.8%. That game is at the Plaza. Rule variations and their % can calculated based on the game you are playing.
A standard 6-8 deck shoe game has a house edge closer to 1.5 - 1.8%

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these figures are too pessimistic. there are still many casinos on the strip that deal 6D S17 DA2 DAS Sp3 SpA3 LS which has a house edge of around 0.26%. with comps you can play virtually breakeven in the long run. even if you make it 8 decks and take away surrender and hit on soft 17, the vig for perfect basic strat is still below 0.70% (source: www.blackjackinfo.com (http://www.blackjackinfo.com)).

when you compile the margin of profit based on how people ACTUALLY play in las vegas, then the house edge becomes closer to the numbers you indicated, possibly as high up as 3-4%.

but at the same time, there are still some good theoretical games available such as the double deckers at LVC and Plaza (house edge closer to 0.2%, definitely not 0.8%), Suncoast, and everyone's favorite - the Western!. many BJ games at the strip resorts still offer good gambling value as well relative to nearly any other game except live poker.

blackjack at many internet casinos can be +EV once you factor in the deposit bonus and the playthrough wagering requirement. just make sure you read the T&C carefully to make sure the games you play are eligible to qualify for the promotion.

[afish]

Both the Taj and Borgata give $2/hour at 10-20 and higher. The Borgata comps are much better, in my opinion, as you can just use the card to get food at the snack bar (fruit salad and caesar salad available) or any restaurant. The Borgata food is far more edible. At the Taj, you have to get a comp slip for the mediocre food venues.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

Last I was in Vegas, the Luxor gave you a spot in a freeroll for something like 10 hours of play, and held the freerolls 2x week. Typically its just Vegas regulars who show up, chop the prize pool on the spot, and go. A dealer told me these are worth about $220/week for 20 hours of play. Not sure if they are still running the promotion, but its the closest thing to a good poker comp in Vegas.

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Actually, it's $25 player share per freeroll. So 50/wk max. It's more like rakeback than anything.

[Intrepid]

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blackjack at many internet casinos can be +EV once you factor in the deposit bonus and the playthrough wagering requirement.

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This is true if the casino does not cheat. Since I brought up the topic of internet casinos, I feel obligated to mention that unlike internet poker sites, internet casinos have been known to cheat (e.g., manipulate the deal of cards to increase the house edge of BJ or videopoker games).

[poker-penguin]

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This is true if the casino does not cheat. Since I brought up the topic of internet casinos, I feel obligated to mention that unlike internet poker sites, internet casinos have been known to cheat (e.g., manipulate the deal of cards to increase the house edge of BJ or videopoker games).

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Here we go again.

Some internet casinos have been caught cheating (www.casinomeister.com) BUT none of the ones using major software providers. Don't be an idiot, play at casinos using Playtech, Microgaming, Boss Media, or Wagerlogic, and you'll be fine. You should also book a very healthy profit from the bonuses.

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THREAD DERAILMENT!!!

Start a new topic for online casino comps guys, this was originally about poker comps in AC and has spun out of control. Just trying to help out here.

[RollaJ]

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Both the Taj and Borgata give $2/hour at 10-20 and higher. The Borgata comps are much better, in my opinion, as you can just use the card to get food at the snack bar (fruit salad and caesar salad available) or any restaurant. The Borgata food is far more edible. At the Taj, you have to get a comp slip for the mediocre food venues.

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I may be jumping to conclusions, but did you know the Taj has a poker snack bar as well?? It took me about 6 months of playing there before I found out, as it is rather well hidden and there are no signs as to how to get to it.
True you have to get a slip printed out, but there are many places you can use it.