Huge all in from opponent on flop with two pair?

[dentoner]

This really confused me


PokerStars Game #1788389410: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/05/29 - 01:07:15 (ET)
Table 'Sarin II' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: dentoner ($144.85 in chips)
Seat 2: pablostar ($33.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Spartan1 ($54.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Pok17 ($49.05 in chips)
Seat 5: InsaneCane2 ($75.60 in chips)
Seat 6: QUINT 661 ($82.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Volrath ($74.90 in chips)
Seat 9: NyCzDenniS ($110.75 in chips)
dentoner: posts small blind $0.50
pablostar: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dentoner [Jh As]
Spartan1: folds
Pok17: folds
InsaneCane2 said, "saw him win a large hand with AA"
InsaneCane2: folds
QUINT 661: calls $1
Volrath: calls $1
NyCzDenniS: folds
dentoner: raises $2 to $3
THE STONYONE joins the table at seat #7
pablostar: folds
QUINT 661: calls $2
Volrath: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js 4c Ad]
dentoner: checks
QUINT 661: bets $4
dentoner: raises $4 to $8
QUINT 661: raises $71.25 to $79.25 and is all-in

[Sephus]

houston, we have a call. i think this is A4, AK, (something else?) slightly more often than 44, JJ, AA. he might have AJ but that's not really an important consideration.

[dentoner]

I put him on 44 but i had no reads really since he just joined the table.

[Sephus]

yeah 44 is not unlikely at all. JJ could be out there. still think calling gets you a few bucks in the long run.

[Aeioux]

what was the outcome?

[kongo_totte]

I doubt that raising AJo from the blinds as a standard play can be good. And if you do raise it, raise more after 2 limpers. On the flop, if you would lead w/ A K/A Q or KQ (that is if you usually lead when PFR) I would lead this flop to. Since you check-raised, don´t min.raise. Gives away maximum information charging the minimum. I honestly don´t know what I would do here. It looks very much like 4 4. Altough, without a read I would think that 4 4 plays it a bit slower. Call, and hope he has A 4.

[dentoner]

i folded so i don't know what he had

[xorbie]

You really have to raise more if you are going to raise. Here, it's close. I don't know why a set would play it so hard.

[FreakDaddy]

Any reads? Please post reads. The question here is, considering the texture of the flop, which is fairly good for you, do I think villian would misplay a set this badly here? You have so much pot equity on this hand, that I'd be inclined to call here. You may lose this one, but in the long run you're going to show profit.

[FreakDaddy]

[ QUOTE ]
I put him on 44 but i had no reads really since he just joined the table.

[/ QUOTE ]

You put him on 44, or you were afraid of 44? Which one is more likely considering your personality? I don't think you can make this solid of a read, although I agree that if you're losing this hand, it's to 44, but you also have 8.5% chance to boat up by the river. Call.

[dentoner]

I guess it was me being afraid of 44. This is weak tight I know but at the .5/1 nl tables on stars you really don't see people making this type of play unless they have it.

In the past when I have called something like this I was way behind, not way ahead.