Robert Ezzo
05-12-2005, 02:01 PM
This seems to come up quite often in my games, and I'm wondering how others handle it. I only have played 9 hands with UTG+1 at this point, so I don't have any real read on him yet, although I had put him as slightly passive in two other pots he played out before this one:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button folds.
Turn: (8 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, Hero ???
When this happens on the river, I just make the crying call, but when it happens on the turn, what's your next move?
- Call, and check/call the river?
- Fold immediately, since if the person has improved to a flush or straight, you're drawing dead?
- If the board has no straight possibility here (a Ten of diamonds, for instance), does it change your perception of the hand?
I think I call these kind of hands down too often, so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake or not. (And yes, I know "it depends". /images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm just looking for an average "against an unknown opponent" answer.)
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button folds.
Turn: (8 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, Hero ???
When this happens on the river, I just make the crying call, but when it happens on the turn, what's your next move?
- Call, and check/call the river?
- Fold immediately, since if the person has improved to a flush or straight, you're drawing dead?
- If the board has no straight possibility here (a Ten of diamonds, for instance), does it change your perception of the hand?
I think I call these kind of hands down too often, so I'm wondering if I'm making a mistake or not. (And yes, I know "it depends". /images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm just looking for an average "against an unknown opponent" answer.)