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Maurader1
05-05-2005, 05:56 PM
Having read through th 18k stats post thread, I for the first time looked at my position stats in PT (I'm pretty noob) and saw that my biggest losses are from BB/SB and at first I was like WHOA...then I realized I do have to put money in there involuntarily. Just wondering if this constitutes a leak in my game, or if it is just a result of the blinds? My sample is size is only 6k hands, but still it got me wondering. For example I have 700ish hands in BB, and have net loss of over 300...

Any other people have this problem when just starting out and any ideas how I can fix it? I am probably defending blinds too often or not often enough - is there a way I can find out which?

Thanks!
toss
05-05-2005, 05:56 PM
You're suppose to lose money from the blinds.
waynethetrain
05-05-2005, 06:00 PM
Look at the stats without the blind money. You will almost certainly lose "with" the blind money included.
davelin
05-05-2005, 06:03 PM
If you automatically check/fold the flop in the BB, you'd be a .5BB loser from that position. Are you losing less than that?

Similarly if you always folded in the SB, you'd be a .25BB loser, are you doing better than that at least?
Maurader1
05-05-2005, 06:04 PM
So does this mean I am not making enough money in the other positions to cover my (guaranteed?) losses in the blinds?
toss
05-05-2005, 06:05 PM
No.
Maurader1
05-05-2005, 06:07 PM
BB is at -.23/hand, and SB is at -.06BB, which I guess is better than that default value, but still concerns me...
topspin
05-05-2005, 06:15 PM
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BB is at -.23/hand, and SB is at -.06BB, which I guess is better than that default value, but still concerns me...

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Well, when you figure out how to show a profit by calling with any two cards in the worst position, you can write a poker book about it and retire rich /images/graemlins/grin.gif
davelin
05-05-2005, 06:19 PM
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BB is at -.23/hand, and SB is at -.06BB, which I guess is better than that default value, but still concerns me...

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I don't know what mine are but I wouldn't be overly concerned. You're playing crap in the 1st or second position, you're going to be a net loser from these spots. I'd worry more about hands/positions where you're voluntarily putting money in.
DeathDonkey
05-05-2005, 06:28 PM
-0.23 from BB is a bit high, but not crazy. Don't worry about these stats too much.

-DeathDonkey
reubenf
05-05-2005, 06:32 PM
I hope you realize that ALL of the money made in hold'em is a result of the fact that someone has to post the blinds every hand. That should give you some perspective as to why you HAVE to be a fairly big loser in the blinds.
bottomset
05-05-2005, 06:36 PM
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-0.23 from BB is a bit high, but not crazy. Don't worry about these stats too much.

-DeathDonkey

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yep
Agthorr
05-05-2005, 06:42 PM
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Well, when you figure out how to show a profit by calling with any two cards in the worst position, you can write a poker book about it and retire rich

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You can make a good start by playing against opponents who will call with any two cards in any position. :-)
Maurader1
05-05-2005, 07:25 PM
Noted. Thanks guys, will concentrate on other leaks
davelin
05-05-2005, 07:40 PM
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BB is at -.23/hand, and SB is at -.06BB, which I guess is better than that default value, but still concerns me...

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I'm -.20BB in the BB and -.14BB in the SB after 44K hands of 1/2 for reference.
Frank A. Adrian
05-05-2005, 08:01 PM
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you can write a poker book about it and retire rich

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From what I know about publishing, the first might be true...
ArturiusX
05-05-2005, 08:09 PM
I heard a theory that you can technically make money from the sb with perfect play + right table conditions.

Anyone know of this thread?
reubenf
05-05-2005, 08:21 PM
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I heard a theory that you can technically make money from the sb with perfect play + right table conditions.

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The right table conditions being that it's heads up? /images/graemlins/wink.gif
grjr
05-06-2005, 05:07 AM
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BB is at -.23/hand, and SB is at -.06BB, which I guess is better than that default value, but still concerns me...

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I'm -.20BB in the BB and -.14BB in the SB after 44K hands of 1/2 for reference.

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I'm at -.05 in the BB and -.09 in the SB after 27,000 hands of .50/1. I don't know if I've been lucky or I'm doing something right. The numbers haven't changed any in the last 12,000 hands though.

I call a lot of raises with suited connectors of any size in the blinds which leads to quite a few big pots. I think most people here throw these away to raises.