NL200 Top Pair/Strong Draw Turn Decision

[MarkL444]

Villains are loose and predictable for the most part.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($174.65)
UTG ($234.65)
MP ($117.7)
CO ($280.86)
Hero ($625.44)
SB ($110.77)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($10) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $4</font>, MP calls $4, CO folds, Hero calls $4, SB calls $4.

Turn: ($26) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero ...

whats the plan right here? take one off or bet and how much?

[steaknshake925]

the default play for me would be checking thru here. against three people betting is not gonna take it down very often, and although you have a very strong draw it would still suck to get CRed. Charging lesser hands is not a concern since theres a good chance ur behind right now, so i take the free card.

[edge]

I'd bet this, but I wouldn't call the flop. I would be raising or folding on the flop, since I don't want to call down with a 7 kicker and no redraws.

[AZK]

20 to go sounds right.

[MarkL444]

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I'd bet this, but I wouldn't call the flop. I would be raising or folding on the flop, since I don't want to call down with a 7 kicker and no redraws.

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well, yeah. i usually raise but with position on everyone and a couple backdoor draws i decided to just call here. gotta switch the style up

[TrailofTears]

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well, yeah. i usually raise but with position on everyone and a couple backdoor draws i decided to just call here. gotta switch the style up


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I don't think "switching the style up" should involve pretending you have backdoor outs or that your 7 kicker will carry you through.

-Trail

[SeattleJake]

How about $15. $20 seems a bit high with the low kicker, and A/K/Q/4/6 all being scare cards. If the $20 is called, the pot would be a little too big to make an easy bet on the river. Save the $5 and add it to your river bet if you improve.

Still learning here, so please correct me if you have a stronger argument.

[lennytheduck]

I'm for checking here, simply for the purposes of controlling the size of the pot. If you bet 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot on turn and get 1 or (gasp) 2 callers what do you do when they lead out for the pot on the river? Obviously fold...but what if its a heart?

Check behind here and any decision you will have to make on the river instantly becomes easier.

[SeattleJake]

Out of curiosity, how much would you normally raise to on that flop? It scares the crap out of me, mostly because I feel I'm investing too much building up a pot with TPWK. Is $12 good, making it $8 more for anyone to call; or something more like $20? Again, I feel like $20 is too much with that hand, so often I'd end up folding right there.

[MarkL444]

when the BB bet i was already deciding what to raise to to, the overcall by MP made me change my mind. these guys were real loose and would call a raise to 12 or maybe even as much as 20 with just about any jack or a draw. had MP not called, i would have definately raised, probably 12ish

[SeattleJake]

And then SB calls behind, and you're probably glad for doing it. Thanks for the insight!