QQ hand against i don't really know what to call her

[mr pink]

villain is 41/8/1 after 80 hands


utg folds, i raise with Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif, villain 3-bets, folded to me, i cap, she calls.

flop: 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif - 2 players - 9.5 sbs

i bet, she calls.

turn: 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif - 2 players - 5.5ish bbs

i bet, she raises, hero ???//???

feel like i walked into something here?

[shark6]

The turn raise is a pretty strong move for a passive player.

However, I think you still have to call down with an overpair and payoff.

[27offsooot]

I don't like to fold overpairs HU, with a bluffable, but not overly scary board against a player that I have only 80 hands on. I call down.

[MoreWineII]

Sure looks like frush, but I pay off like a slot machine. Here's hoping she had A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK

[mr pink]

i don't know, a player this passive semibluff raises the turn against a pf capper who has shown nothing but aggression?

[MoreWineII]

80 hands isn't a ton. And I don't expect to win here often. But I still call down, because I like to call down and stuff. Maybe 5/10 has jaded me.

[QTip]

I have recently learned that this isn't really that passive. With a VPIP of 40, an aggression ration of 1 isn't really that passive. They're betting and raising that much with a much larger # of hands. It would be fun to come up with some sort of forumula to find out what the agression rating would equate to if the VPIP for this player was 15...any math genius out there?

[chief444]

No way am I folding. I just call down. A lot of worse hands will get a raise on the turn with this board.

[axioma]

i showed in this thread how vpip and post flop aggression are not 'mathmatically' linked:

link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=smallholdem&Number=1947744 &Forum=f3&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=100&Main=19431 33&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=17166&daterange= 1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&body prev=#Post1947744)

although I agree: loosness PF can, in practice, artificially reduce postflop agg factor.



[edit] and yes, i call this one down too.

[QTip]

I just read through that post, thanks for the link. Would it make sense that if they're going to the turn or showdown with frequency coupled with a high VPIP and an AF of 1 that they link would would be logical?

[chesspain]

I call the turn and checkcall any non-spade, non-ace river.

[MoreWineII]

I played a similar hand last night against a decent player (and a fish who wouldn't fold). I had JJ, raised, got 3-bet by decent, I capped, fish didn't fold. Flop was all undercards, I bet, decent called, fish didn't fold. Turn was a blank, I bet, decent raised, I called, fish didn't fold. I check/called the river along with fish.

I was shocked when decent turned over TT and MHWG. It happens.

[mr pink]

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I call the turn and checkcall any non-spade, non-ace river.

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this sounds pretty solid.

[axioma]

im not 100% sure what ya mean here, the typo is confusing me /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

basically, since agg factor is calculated by (bets + rasies)/calls: if a player is calling too much preflop, and CONTINUES to call too much post flop, it will reduce thier aggro factor.

as you can see, there is no propotionality or mathmatic link between the two, but it is somewhat reasonable to assume that if someone is loose PF, they might be loose post flop.

[einbert]

1 AF is pretty high for a 41 VPIP

I'd say she could certainly have AsKx or AxKs. She could also have JsJx but it seems like she would have raised the flop with KK or AA.

I call down and make a note.