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Isura
03-30-2005, 11:16 PM
Villian was 35/4/1.5 after about 40 hands. More relevant, is that, previously I had seen him check behind the flop HU with a A5o (pair of aces), then raise the turn when the board paired with two other cards. I strange line thought, but anyways, no other reads.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, UTG folds.

River: (8.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB
toss
03-30-2005, 11:19 PM
I'd still call that river getting 1-8.75 even with your read on villain. Many times you'll see a hand that beats you, but I think this is still a profitable call in the long run.
btspider
03-30-2005, 11:22 PM
i save the bet-folds for TPNK or second pair type hands and my W$SD still tends to hover around 56.
deepsquat
03-30-2005, 11:22 PM
seems a strange card to bluff. Id still call here with top pair.
Isura
03-30-2005, 11:24 PM
Are you implying check-calling or bet-calling?
jaxUp
03-30-2005, 11:25 PM
Against someone who has pulled some crap (like that A5o thing), this is a pretty easy call I think. I could see a QJ here, maybe a T, maybe mid pp. There aren't too many 7s in the repetoir of a 35% VPIP CC'er.
toss
03-30-2005, 11:25 PM
He says bet-fold so betting and checking.
NAU_Player
03-30-2005, 11:25 PM
Unless you are anticipating him raising you on the river, there is no reason to assume you are behind.

I bet/call the river.
UncleSalty
03-30-2005, 11:27 PM
I think w/ 10.75:1 you should call for one more. It just doesn't make sense that he would call a raise PF with a 7, so that leaves the odd Q/T two pair, which I think is vulnerable enough to redraws that he would be playing aggressively on the flop.

His line just doesn't make sense, so it smells like a bluff to me. (At least enough of the time to make a call correct)
jaxUp
03-30-2005, 11:27 PM
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Are you implying check-calling or bet-calling?

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Not value betting this would be awful...bet/call
btspider
03-30-2005, 11:34 PM
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Not value betting this would be awful...bet/call

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awful is quite appropriate in describing a river check.

i just bumped a hand that is a good river bet-fold example.