Mirage 20-40: Capped flop, Capped turn, & a $1800 river card

[Dynasty]

Measured by both big bets and dollars, this is the largest part I've contested so far. I believe I played the hand as best as I could so I'll present the hand without revealing where I am. I think that will make it a little more interesting in trying to read everybody's hand and figure out where I am at the table.

The game had just started within the half hour so I don't have any specific read on any other players who made it to the turn (I'm among the players who made it to the turn).

The hand:

It's 9-handed and everybody limps. Small blind completes. Big blind checks. 9 players see the flop. The pot is 4.5 big bets ($180).

The flop is: 7d,6h,5d

Here we go. The Small Blind bets out. Big Blind calls. UTG calls. UTG2 raises. MP1 calls. MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 calls. Cutoff calls. Button folds.

Small blind makes it 3 bets. Big blind folds. UTG folds. UTG2 makes it 4 bets. MP1 calls. MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 calls. Cutoff folds.

Small blind caps it at 5 bets. UTG2 calls. MP1 calls. MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 calls.

5 players make it to the turn (me included) for 5 bets each. The pot is 19 big bets ($760).

The turn is: 7d,6h,5d,3c

Small blind bets out again. UTG2 just calls this time. MP1 calls. MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 raises (first show of strength).

Small blind 3-bets again. UTG2 calls. MP1 calls MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 4-bets.

Small blind caps at 5 bets again. UTG2 calls. MP1 folds!!! (That's right, a fold). MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 calls.

Four players make it to the river for 5 bets each. The pot is 42 big bets ($1,680).

The river is: 7d,6h,5d,3c,2s

Small Blind bets. UTG2 folds. MP2 calls. Cutoff-1 raises.

Small blind 3-bets again. MP2 folds. Cutoff-1 calls.

Who's got what?

Small Blind?
UTG2?
MP1?
MP2?
Cutoff-1?

And for fun, which one was me?

[Sooga]

It's hard to imagine SB having anything but 89...

I have no clue but that's the craziest pot I've ever heard of. WOW!!!!

PokerPrince

[MCS]

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I figure SB for 89. I assume there was an AdXd and maybe KdXd, plus a flopped set of 7's somewhere. But that's all I got, and I'm no good at this poker stuff anyway /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Mikey]

PLEASE TELL ME YOU WON THAT HAND, so you can fly me out to Vegas this January......and we can go back and play 4-8 hold'em like normal human beings.....hmmm.....

Let's see...if I had to guess....You were the SB....and flopped a straight.....8h9h.....that would be my guess...only reason to cap it too.....and you were up against Ah4h......that's the only thing I can think of...which would making it play that way...with all that action....or you are up against 5h4h.

**PLEASE SAY YOU WON THIS ONE!!!!

WHOEVER WON IT- THAT'S A NICE SCORE!!!!!!

[Ginogino]

The only thing that makes sense is that both SB and CO-1 have 89 (suited or not makes no difference) [I expect that you're SB because a player holding 89 should realize that he/she needs to play fast in order to charge the max to someone with a potential higher straight who's hoping for an 8 and/or 9 to arrive, and CO-1 waits for the turn to raise, which I think is leaving things a bit late].

MP1 and MP2 could have flush draws, but I'd expect 77 and 66. Wow, what a hand, and the leader(s) on the flop never get counterfeited.

[sandsmarc]

UTG2:88
SB:89
Cutoff-1: 4d8d (YOU)
MP1: 67o
MP2 55

[eMarkM]

UTG2: 77 or other set, drops when he doesn't fill up.
SB: 89s, played the flopped str8 very strongly
M1: probably some small flush draw and finally realized the nut draw was out there and he was dead.
M2: 66, 76, or some other set or 2 pair that didn't fill.
CO: A4d, raising the ignornant end of str8 thinking it's good? That's all I can figure him for.

You're the SB and took it down because you only post the hands where you win /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

These sound confident, but they're not. People often surprise me with what they find themselves in a pot with -- which is good thing, actually...

Who's got what?
Small Blind & C-1 have 89 for a split.
UTG2 had the nut flush draw or a set.
MP1 folded a 4 on the turn, convinced the higher straight was out.
MP2 had a set or the nut flush draw with a 4.

Which one is Dynasty

You cannot be Cut-off 1, because he didn't play the small straight fast on the flop in a big pot. I suspect you also would have made one more river raise just in case.

You cannot be MP2, because he makes a foolish call on the river.

You are unlikely to be MP1 w/ exactly 44, but I think he lost too much with whatever he had, so I doubt it. You are also seemed shocked that he had a hand he could fold.

That leaves UTG2 and small-blind for you.

[andyfox]

Most exciting post ever! Was Bob Morgan in the pot? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

My guesses:

SB had 9-8 = Dynasty; he bet and raised at every opportunity and thus must have had the nuts

UTG2 raised the flop twice, but just called when a 4th straight card hit on the turn. He had a set or perhaps top two pair.

MP1 had a coronary for sure, and a 4 for maybe.

MP2 called every bet (never raised) and folded at the end. He is the anti-Dynasty. 7-6s?

cutoff-1 = pocket 4s or Ad-4d or, less likely, another 9-8 and just decided to call on the river assuming a split pot

Altogether too complicated for me. How did you remember all the action?

So the games in Vegas are much tighter than in L.A.? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

[andyfox]

I predict over 1,000 views for this exciting post.

[Vehn]

and folded black aces on the turn for 1 big bet after calling 4.

Kidding.

SB (you) 9d8s. I think you'd raise from the SB if the table limped with 98s?
UTG2 had a set of 6's or 5's and mucked them on the river.
MP2 had a set also and finally realized they're no good.
I'll say Cutoff -1 had Ad4d and is dumb.
MP1 has a lobotomy.

384 chips in the pot, almost 4 racks, wow. I hope the pot wasn't split, that would be a 10-15 minute ordeal. I won a 125 chip pot the other day and I thought that took me a while to stack.

It's 9-handed and everybody limps.

Damn those tough, tight vegas games.

[mikelow]

My take--

Yes Dyansty was the SB with 9-8
UTG2 had A-6 of diamonds
Cutoff-1 had pocket fours
MP2 had 7-6 (no diamonds)
MP1 had A-4 offsuit (he folded when he realized he was on the dumb end)

Okay, I don't think anybody said it, so I will. Cutoff -1 had 48 soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooted. Playing the cheese, paying the ultimate price.

[JTG51]

OK, I'll take a shot.

Like everyone else, I say SB has to have 89. Maybe 8d9d for bonus points.

I think UTG2 has 77 for top set.

MP1, who knows. I doubt he has a small set or 2 pair though, as he'd try to fill up with all that money in the pot. Maybe a small flush draw? If he's an average player though, I'd expect him to stay with any kind of draw in this size pot.

MP2, a diamond draw, probably not the nuts though. Maybe Kdxd.

Cutoff-1, like most others said Ad4d seems likely for him.

As for which one is you, I'm torn between SB and UTG2. UTG2 raised and reraised until it was obvious he was behind, then called while he had a chance to fill up. SB sounds like your play also though. Most players would slowplay the nuts, you wouldn't.

This is a case of me trying to read the person, not the cards, I'm going to go with UTG2 for you.

Since the river was a brick, and Dynasty includes "a $1800 river card" in the title, I believe he was fishing for a river card in the huge pot, saying to himself "Just pair that *%^*&^%*%&&$#@% board!". Of course he might still say that ( the $1800 river part) if he had the nuts, but I think it's more likely Dynasty is sitting on 77, and dreaming what might have been as that deuce hits the board. I just hope that you didn't at first think it was a 3 as it hit, making it doubly disappointing.

[JTG51]

I misdread the river action on your post. I guess MP2 doesn't have a flush draw. Maybe a smaller set.

how about 89 random 4 and 48 suited

[Homer]

All hands:

SB -> 98o
UTG2 -> 77
MP1 -> 54h
MP2 -> A4d
CO-1 -> 98d

Your hand:

UTG2 (2nd guess would be SB)

[loki]

You were UTG2 with AJd, MP2 had at least a set. Cut-off drew to ignorant end of straight and is hating it. SB flopped a blind-special with 89 which was the nuts, and remained it.

My thinking is all based on the Turn play since the Flop is the phoney betting round where raises are half-price.

If it was just you and the SB hand you would have taken it 36% of the time.

AdJd 8c9c
% chance of outright win 36.363636 63.232323
% chance of win or split 36.767677 63.636364
expected return, % of pot 36.565657 63.434343
fair pot odds:1 1.734807 0.576433
pots won: 362.00 628.00

I do like your play on all streets, though. That kind of pot anyone with any kind of a draw or hand is just gotta ride it to the river.


Loki

[Jimbo]

Two players had sets, two had flush draws and someone turned the 8 high straight and it held up. I will guess it was not Dynasty but the player with the A4d.

Jimbo

[Nepa]

I'll take a shot

sb Ad4d winner chicken dinner, I'll guess that was you
cutoff 1 77
mp2 55
mp1 4 8o (folded the best hand)
utg2 KK really stupid

[mikelow]

Then Mr. P was on his shoulder. Now if someone is playing 8-4 offsuit a lot, they're not going to fold the second nuts.

[mikelow]

Is there a over/under line posted on that?
I'll take the over.

[AceHigh]

First off, I think Dynasty was UTG2.
SB: 98
UTG2: Axd.
MP1: TT/99
MP2: a set or 2 pair.
Cutoff-1: 98s.

Were you the MP1 with K4d? The betting pattern tells me Sb had 89, UTG2 had 34, MP2 had A4 while the CO1 had a 48.

[Dynasty]

I didn't think this was a great hand reading exercise- just a fun hand to share.

Small Blind had the very obvious 98o for the flopped nut straight which held up to the river. You gotta admire the way he played the hand- a simple approach of betting and raising at every opportunity.

Cutoff-1 also had 98o for the flopped nuts. His slowplay obviously didn't cost him anything.

The two of them chopped a 49 big bet pot. However, since each of them put in 11 of those big bets, they only showed a profit of 13.5 big bets ((49/2)-11) each or $540. If I had the nuts in a pot this large, I'd feel a bit ripped-off to show such a "small" profit. It took the dealer at least 5 minutes to chop the pot. I was actually able to leave the table and "attend to business" without missing a hand.

MP2 flopped two-pair (I don't know which two) and was drawing live to 4 outs the whole time. His call of one bet on the river was poor but I'm hardly going to be too critical of that given the size of the pot. At least, he didn't foolishly put 4 more bets into the pot.

MP1 was the amazing story. She only had a stiff 9. She was drawing to a gut-shot straight draw which would have been chopped 3 ways if she got there. Clearly, she was the big donator in this hand. With two 8's left in the deck, she was drawing to a 2-outer for a 3-way chopped pot- at best. If the 8d was still in the deck she was drawing to just one out due to UTG2's flush draw.

I was UTG2 and had the nut flush draw with AdJd. I was drawing live to at least 8 outs and possibly 9 (depending on MP2's exact two-pair hand). Given the # of other players putting money into the pot, I was in a good EV spot in this hand. But, this missed flush draw cost me $300 post-flop.

If my diamond had it, I'm sure it would have gone check, bet, call, call, call. I would have dragged a pot of $1,800 not including my last river bet.

Within one orbit, I picked up AcTc in the small blind and got it all back and then some when I hit a flush on the river. Despite missing the pot of the night, I actually left a huge winner of more than 25 big bets.

If only...

[JTG51]

I think it's pretty amazing that loki not only put you in the correct seat with the nut flush draw, but he had you on exactly AdJd. Very impressive.

And look how confident he was. Do you know loki? Was he in the game with you?

[loki]

Nope, I am just a fan of Dynasty posts. The highest I have ever played at the Mirage is 6-12 and that was this July. /forums/images/icons/cool.gif

Maybe, I am ready for the bigger game when I get out there next time!

loki

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