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theblitz

03-16-2005, 10:17 AM

MP2 is a very loose player - recently added to my buddy list.
MP3 is newish to the table but also seems to be loosish (50% VPIP in 20 hands - not really a statistically viable number).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($44)
UTG+1 ($27.05)
MP1 ($9.85)
MP2 ($25.25)
MP3 ($15.45)
CO ($25.9)
Button ($22.26)
SB ($32.15)
Hero ($47.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.75, MP2 calls $6, MP3 calls $6, Button folds.

Flop: ($22.10) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25.

Turn: ($22.85) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25.

River: ($23.60) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1.

Final Pot: $26.60

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Kc (two pair, aces and kings).
MP2 has Td Th (two pair, aces and tens).
MP3 has Qs 5s (two pair, aces and fives) - wins place of honour on my buddy list.
Outcome: Hero wins $26.60. 

Obviously the flop scared me. Though, thinking back it reduces the chance that someone has pocket aces and not very likely someone is there with a single ace after my big pre-flop re-raise.
Should I have bet out the flop?

The Jack was a bit more scary because one of them could easily be sitting with Jacks.

So, did I get as much out as I could hope for?

LetYouDown

03-16-2005, 10:29 AM

I would have checked and raised after the incredibly small bet into you on the flop, or a stop-and-go and bet out on the turn after calling. Something mediumish ~$4. Generally you'll know pretty quickly if someone has the A. Having a third player is a little sketchy. Basically, represent the A. Any opposition and slow way down.

MarkL444

03-16-2005, 11:15 AM

dont post results.

i wouldda raised the flop to at least 5. if mp2 overcalls you or reraises itll be easy to get away. basically id bet stronger until someone gave me reason not to.

AEKDBet

03-16-2005, 11:37 AM

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I would have checked and raised after the incredibly small bet into you on the flop, or a stop-and-go and bet out on the turn after calling. Something mediumish ~$4. Generally you'll know pretty quickly if someone has the A. Having a third player is a little sketchy. Basically, represent the A. Any opposition and slow way down.

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Damn good advice

soah

03-16-2005, 11:47 AM

I can't ever imagine a time when it would be appropriate to make a $4 raise into a $22 pot. You will still have no idea where you're at when you get called (except that you're probably behind), and you're out of position with two betting rounds left.

AEKDBet

03-16-2005, 11:50 AM

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I can't ever imagine a time when it would be appropriate to make a $4 raise into a $22 pot.

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Whoopsie, he had me a mediumish. $4 is a great amount for someone to pay for draw against you.

LetYouDown

03-16-2005, 12:12 PM

Yeah, completely miscalculated the pot. Either way, I'd definitely represent the A and slow way down if I don't win the pot right there.

theblitz

03-16-2005, 02:31 PM

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dont post results.

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Post them later on?

LetYouDown

03-16-2005, 02:38 PM

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dont post results.

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Post them later on?

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Seems to be the idea. It skews perception and makes reads easier. I personally don't mind posting them in "white", but it's all too tempting to look. The point is, the responses will be much more informative if we don't know the results prior to responding. It's always easiest to fold when you know you're beat.

theblitz

03-16-2005, 02:55 PM

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It's always easiest to fold when you know you're beat.

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Don't we all know it!

fortextreme

03-16-2005, 03:10 PM

Preflop the raise is great. After the flop the check seems pretty good. Against one player I probably bet but two it's hard. With the small bets it's either a trap or they are weak players completly afraid of this flop also. There's no reason to be betting 1/80th the pot.

The only problem with reraising here is that you'll need to bet at least half the pot for it to be reasonable. Which looks to be about $12 on the flop. This will put MP3 all in and leave MP2 with about $6. Considering they are both short stacked I'd have check raised to $20 after the small bets and made them play for their stacks.

LetYouDown

03-16-2005, 05:06 PM

Keep in mind, a LOT of the time a min bet at low limit into a decent pot means "please let me show down this hand and don't raise me, let's be friends." In the party $10/$20 tournaments or low limit tables, I am very inclined to raise this type of bet.