Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread

[TenPercenter]

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We are at the stage where we should take promise-to-pay orders for the new Pharaoh’s Club Paulson chip group buy. This set is in the final stages of design, and the public has been anxious to get the group buy rolling.

If you take part in this group buy, you will be getting the most unique and sought after new chip on the market, at a price that cannot be matched anywhere. See the end of this post for bigger mockups.

Use the following link to the “promise-to-pay” order form. It’s not meant as an actual order, just a way to get an assessment to where we stand on the quantity that we expect to order. Visit the form and tell me how many you plan to buy.

<font color="green"> “Promise-to-Pay” Order Form (http://lightningsolutions.net/pharaohsclub.html) </font>

Here are things we know for sure:

Price will be the best I can get for us. If we go through a vendor, there will have to be an allowance made for them to profit on the deal. There would be no other reason for them to do it. They must cover their interest, credit card fees, and other costs, plus make a bit for themselves. No deal has been made yet, so I can’t tell you the actual price yet. It will most likely be between .90 and .95 cents, which is 25% to 30% off of retail price of $1.25. I’d be willing to bet that these sell for upwards of $1.50 each once the group buy is over.

There will be seven denominations, and one blank. Eight designs in total. The orange $1000 will also be offered without a number as a “wild” chip to be used as anything you like.

Each inlay will be the same except for the most prominent design element, the color graphic. This graphic changes on each denomination.

The colors are not negotiable. We were limited to the same color choices that Paulson allows for ALL home chip sets.

Inlays will be the best that we are allowed to get. Right now, that is round, standard sized inlay. Current word is that the mold is being changed to better fit a standard inlay. If shaped edges for the inlay are allowed, then we will order them. If possible, I will order a different inlay shape for each denomination, with round as the 25¢ chip.

From the day that we place the order, it will be approximately 8-10 weeks for delivery to the vendor. I’d add another week for delivery to your door.

Ten


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[smoore]

I haven't answered the poll... my attraction to this buy was the shaped inlays. Without that I'll just be jealous of the owners of the chips /images/graemlins/wink.gif Good luck all, I don't think getting 100k will be a problem.

One question Ten... will this buy be "available" after it's over like the egyptians and suits or will it be an exclusive one-time only offer?

[Lumpy]

I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

[Slow Play Ray]

Wow, I can't believe how much better the chip with the concentric circles looks than the others. That would be sweet if they did that.

Very nice designs, by the way. I'm an especially big fan of the $100.

[TenPercenter]

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I haven't answered the poll... my attraction to this buy was the shaped inlays. Without that I'll just be jealous of the owners of the chips /images/graemlins/wink.gif Good luck all, I don't think getting 100k will be a problem.

One question Ten... will this buy be "available" after it's over like the egyptians and suits or will it be an exclusive one-time only offer?

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I have mockups of the shaped inlays, but we made them on GRAND size, as that information was passed to us. Until I have STANDARD size SHAPED mockups, I'm leaving the pictures above as-is.

However, here's a taste of what you can expect... only on a standard sized inlay...

Ten


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[TenPercenter]

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

[toots]

Let's see... about three months (minimum?) between now and delivery?

Come on, June!!!!

[Lumpy]

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

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[Eric H]

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

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Blue is much nicer for the $1.00 chip. It is a very attractive chip where the white chip is very bland.

[ott]

Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

[Eric H]

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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If that was directed at me, then you should know I will buy either way. I thought this board was a forum for the expression of ideas. I just wanted to express my preference. Have a nice day.

[TenPercenter]

I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

[ott]

Put NCV.

[ott]

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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If that was directed at me, then you should know I will buy either way. I thought this board was a forum for the expression of ideas. I just wanted to express my preference. Have a nice day.

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This one is directed at you. You SHOULD READ the (Re: XXX) in the message before you respond.

[Lumpy]

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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Exactly what bandwagon is it that I am jumping on?

[Fins]

Make the grey bkg image red?
Use a red (or gold?) heiroglyphic?
Suits?
Stack of chips?
Raise Cairo in red?
Is there an Egyptian symbol for money/gold?

Just throwing out suggestions...


- Fins

[ott]

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Don't like it then don't buy it? You shouldn't feel like you need to jump on the bandwagon because everyone else is. Not directing at you personally.

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Exactly what bandwagon is it that I am jumping on?

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What thread are you in?

[TenPercenter]

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Is there an Egyptian symbol for money/gold?

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NOW you're talking. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif This is a great idea.... I'll get on that.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

Listen everyone, we need help on this one. We have a pretty lofty goal on this group guy - 100,000 chips. I know we can do it, but not just by Ten Percenter's word of mouth alone. I need everyone who wants this to happen to tell everyone you know.

I don't have much of a reach except on this board and on TH-P.com. I don't want to post anything over there until their board-sponsored group buy is over, sometime next week. My best friends aren't crazy enough to spend this kinda cash on poker chips. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

So, please, everyone get the word out. DO NOT SPAM, on boards or via email. If it's inappropriate to post this type of information on a board, then don't do it. If it is allowed, THEN DO IT.

Give people the URL to this thread so they can place their pre-order. Or better yet, here's a tiny URL for it:

http://tinyurl.com/4on7h



Ten

[Glider]

Ten and the artists: great job guys! I am loving this set. I, for one, actually really like the white $1 chip. Now I am just agonizing over what color breakdown I should get, and just how many chips I can justify buying. I am also curious to see how the order, price, and inlay details will work out, so keep those quick updates coming.

glider

[TenPercenter]

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Is there an Egyptian symbol for money/gold?

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NOW you're talking. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif This is a great idea.... I'll get on that.

Ten

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Here is the Egyptian symbol for gold:

http://www.crystalinks.com/nebusm.jpg
http://www.civilization.ca/civil/egypt/images/govts08.gif

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The Egyptian symbol for gold is a collar with beads along the lower edge. Gold has long been associated with the gods and royalty. This imperishable metal reflects the brilliance of the sun and the hope of eternal life. Isis and Nephthys, two of the goddesses who protected the dead, are often shown kneeling on the gold sign at the ends of royal coffins.


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kinda boring.... maybe just an ankh?

Ten

[tomb1]

How 'bout another poll --

When will the first auction for these new chips be on eBay?
( ) 24 hours
( ) 3 days
( ) 1 week

Will it include stealing Ten's mockup graphics?
( ) Yes
( ) Yes

[TenPercenter]

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How 'bout another poll --

When will the first auction for these new chips be on eBay?
( ) 24 hours
( ) 3 days
( ) 1 week

Will it include stealing Ten's mockup graphics?
( ) Yes
( ) Yes

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hmm, that's another idea. sell pre-orders on ebay? that sure would help us reach the goal. but it's also probably not allowed. i'm an established ebay seller, but i dont know that answer.

ten

edit: wife says its a bad idea. (prolly right) people will never want to wait that long, and will start giving bad feedback.

[duma]

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I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

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whats $350 when you are spending $90,000 ?

the inlay shape is going to look real good on the white chip

is it me or do these seem waaay overpriced? a chipco group buy was recently completeted where 20,000 chips were .72 each. makes you wonder whats really going on behind the scenes. the more hands it goes through, the less of a discount we will get. trademark needs their cut, Ten needs his cut, and paulson needs their cut. im not accusing anyone of anything yet, but i just cant understand this logically that a 100,000 chip order is going to cost .90 cents a chip. it doesnt compute in my mind. dont get me wrong, i would love to own a set of these, i just cant come to grips with paying this much.

[jojobinks]

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I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

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whats $350 when you are spending $90,000 ?

the inlay shape is going to look real good on the white chip

is it me or do these seem waaay overpriced? a chipco group buy was recently completeted where 20,000 chips were .72 each. makes you wonder whats really going on behind the scenes. the more hands it goes through, the less of a discount we will get. trademark needs their cut, Ten needs his cut, and paulson needs their cut. im not accusing anyone of anything yet, but i just cant understand this logically that a 100,000 chip order is going to cost .90 cents a chip. it doesnt compute in my mind. dont get me wrong, i would love to own a set of these, i just cant come to grips with paying this much.

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i believe ten's cut will be 0 dollars. but your post brings to mind a certain thought that has been stated before. it goes something like "you have choices. you can always choose to go elsewhere."

another thought: chipcos retail at $1. paulson JB's retail at $1.15.

recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming.

[Wooderson]

I love the chips Ten. Even without shaped inlays I think I'm in, but the shaped inlays makes it definite. I'd still like to see a $5000 chip though.

I agree - ya need something to differentiate the blank. How about instead of using the Nefertiti image use the Kephera, Osiris or perhaps Ra? Here is a good Ra design (sorry, no tiny link): Ra image (http://www.africawithin.com/kmt/Symbols/ra3.jpg)

Here is an Osiris: Osiris (http://www.webmousepublications.com/denile/den-artifacts/den-osi-isis-neph.html)

I would think Ra would be a good fit with the orange color.

Wooderson

ps: oh yeah, what's the concentric cirlce thing i've heard a few people mention?

[duma]

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i believe ten's cut will be 0 dollars. but your post brings to mind a certain thought that has been stated before. it goes something like "you have choices. you can always choose to go elsewhere."

another thought: chipcos retail at $1. paulson JB's retail at $1.15.

recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming.

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lets be real here. something just smells awefully fishy. we are ordering 100,000 chips and the best you can do is .90 cents a chip? ok lets look at the dice702 chips. he sells 5,000 chips for .92 cents each. are you telling me he is only making 2 cents a chip? please, get real. i am not buying it. be realistic people and use some common sense.

and btw, i believe ten is making 0 profit. i was simply making a point. i would trust that he would be completely honest about this.

and btw, Chipcos now retail for 1.10 .

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recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming

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based on the amount ordered and the price of dice's chips, i am saying that this is where the right price should be.

[bubbafry]

Personally, I wasn't expecting much less than .90 per chip, which is &gt;25% discount of $1.25/chip retail (JB's are going for $1.50/chip). 100,000 is the MINIMUM sized order for a custom chip, I can't imagine they're going to give a %50 discount for that order. Trademark's website states that "Best bulk pricing will be for order of 250,000 pieces or more", and we are nowhere near that size. And, you have to remember this is Paulson, the granddaddy of poker chips. They know that they can keep their prices high because of the demand for their chips, and that people are willing to pay high prices for their product (Just look at what their chips were selling for on eBay). Also, they just re-entered the consumer market this year, which makes the demand for these chips even higher. Paulson and Trademark are businesses, and they're going to try to make as much money as possible, and even though that sucks, you can't really hold that against them. And, AFAIK, Ten's not going to make a profit on these things, but if he does make a couple bucks on the side, I don't mind considering all the hard work he's put into it. In the end, I'm happy as long as I'm getting Paulson chips with a nice design at or below the price of the current crappy designs. I'm doing it more for the chips than for the price.

[prez2024]

I know the answer to this is probably no, but is there any chance of getting the other chips (apart from the orange) without denominations on them? I ask because I think the design and the colors are great, but I would be using them for a home game, and I would prefer the flexibility that chips without denominations offer.

Thanks in advance for what I'm sure will be a resounding "No" /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[duma]

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Personally, I wasn't expecting much less than .90 per chip, which is &gt;25% discount of $1.25/chip retail (JB's are going for $1.50/chip). 100,000 is the MINIMUM sized order for a custom chip, I can't imagine they're going to give a %50 discount for that order. Trademark's website states that "Best bulk pricing will be for order of 250,000 pieces or more", and we are nowhere near that size. And, you have to remember this is Paulson, the granddaddy of poker chips. They know that they can keep their prices high because of the demand for their chips, and that people are willing to pay high prices for their product (Just look at what their chips were selling for on eBay). Also, they just re-entered the consumer market this year, which makes the demand for these chips even higher. Paulson and Trademark are businesses, and they're going to try to make as much money as possible, and even though that sucks, you can't really hold that against them. And, AFAIK, Ten's not going to make a profit on these things, but if he does make a couple bucks on the side, I don't mind considering all the hard work he's put into it. In the end, I'm happy as long as I'm getting Paulson chips with a nice design at or below the price of the current crappy designs. I'm doing it more for the chips than for the price.

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good points. so what im gathering then is that Paulson and Trademark views this group buy as consumers rather than retailers. so they will gouge us as much as they possibly can, and therefore give us zero breaks on price. im sure that trademark realizes the frenzy that we are creating with this and is thus capitalizing on our excitment. understandable, any smart businessman would do the same. but like i said, at this volume, i cant justify that price in my mind, especially when we are going directly to the manufacturer (albeit via trademark).

[jojobinks]

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Chipcos now retail for 1.10 .

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classics (http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=AYSET70&amp;cat=24)
egyptians (http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=AYSET18&amp;cat=31)
suits (http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=AYSET25&amp;cat=30)

[Dick Danger]

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I’d be willing to bet that these sell for upwards of $1.50 each once the group buy is over.

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So this wouldn't be a one shot deal?

[TripKings]

Ten,

I voted yes to the poll, but I did not fill out the promise-to-pay order form just yet. It is just too early for me for the following reasons:

I'm not 100% convinced that there will be concentric circles, that the inlay size is certain(new mold), unknown price, etc, etc - I anticipate that a number of changes will occur(it is a given that the process at this stage requires it). I guess what I'm saying is - if I commit, I'm commited, and will do so after the entire process is 100% certain. To be honest, I don't think that it would be a bad idea to wait until after mid-April when trademark.com will be selling samples in the new mold so people can buy them and see them first hand like many of us have with the Paulson JB's with the goofy inlays.

All that said, I'm 99.9% sure I will see these delivered to my doorstep. I really like what you are doing Ten - props to you!( I click on the home poker forum 1000 times a day to see how things are coming) /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

P.S. $1 white chips - sweet. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TripKings]

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.... and therefore give us zero breaks on price.

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It looks like it may be a 15-25% price break to me - on top of the fact that these will be more unique, and way better looking than any other Paulsons on the market. I see only +EV.

[toots]

For anyone who's suddenly an expert on the economics of the manufacture and sale of custom poker chips:

I'm sure if you could put together a group buy that's significantly cheaper, people would flock to it.

[mckee27]

Ten: You changed the blue chip, that was awesome, what happened???

[callydrias]

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I voted yes to the poll, but I did not fill out the promise-to-pay order form just yet. It is just too early for me for the following reasons:

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Same here. I'd like to see what the final mold is going to look like before committing. If I like it, I'm in for 500-1000.

[TenPercenter]

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good points. so what im gathering then is that Paulson and Trademark views this group buy as consumers rather than retailers. so they will gouge us as much as they possibly can, and therefore give us zero breaks on price. im sure that trademark realizes the frenzy that we are creating with this and is thus capitalizing on our excitment. understandable, any smart businessman would do the same. but like i said, at this volume, i cant justify that price in my mind, especially when we are going directly to the manufacturer (albeit via trademark).

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I wanted to address the price issue that Duma brought up...

(here I deleted about 10 bulleted, valid points explaining why the price is this "high"...... compared to Chipco, my first group buy that was .95 each, etc...deleted because it is really so simple):

The simple fact is that we are thinking that .90 price is 'high' because our current point of view is "we pay $1 per chip for good chips." You have to be thinking of these Paulsons as "$1.50 per chip." or at the very least, "$1.25 per chip." Then it makes complete sense. At that price, we are getting 25% off, or more. I was happy as a lark to get that much off of dinky stuff at 5star last Christmas...

Facts:
Paulsons are more expensive retail price.
They don't offer as good wholesale prices as other chip manufacturers.
They're less flexible.

We MUST buy via Trademark. (or a retail vendor and pay more (Dice702). We MUST go through a retail vendor to do the individual purchases. The other sales option is that I buy them personally, and sell them personally. I sure don't want to do that, and the group buy quantity would suffer because of the factor of not allowing credit card purchases.

If we avoided a middle man (vendor) our price would still be .90 or more! Off the top of my head: Wholesale price (at least .75-.80), PayPal/escrow fees (.03-.05), art fees (.02-.03), shaped inlay fees (Trademark say this might happen), shipping (.03-.04), and any interest I may incur if I fronted all the money. And any other costs I can’t think of right now. It adds up quickly.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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Ten and the artists: great job guys! I am loving this set. I, for one, actually really like the white $1 chip. Now I am just agonizing over what color breakdown I should get, and just how many chips I can justify buying. I am also curious to see how the order, price, and inlay details will work out, so keep those quick updates coming.

glider

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Welcome to the board glider, and thatnks for the kind words.

Ten

[YTV]

WHOA, you changed the $1 to white? I thought you were going with blue?

Anyways, if you decide to have a $1 Blue I will be down for 2500 chips. The white paulsons look horrible after 2 hours of play.

[prez2024]

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I thought the $1 was going to be blue? Is a change imminent?

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For now I've decided to keep it white.

Ten

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Blue is much nicer for the $1.00 chip. It is a very attractive chip where the white chip is very bland.

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I'm with these guys. I think both chips look great, but I would personally prefer blue as the $1.00 chip and white for the $.25 chip.

[Slow Play Ray]

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The white paulsons look horrible after 2 hours of play.

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Uh, this is just a BIT of an exaggeration, don't you think? I mean, unless you use a dorm table that's never been wiped down as a poker table? Or maybe if you play in the "mechanics" game at 6pm on Fridays?

[Kripke]

This set looks amazing Ten, absolutely amazing. I've just spend $550 on a set of customs for myself, but I'm still considering buying 3-400. Thus I haven't answered the poll yet. I have to consider my level of sanity if I decide to spend yet another $400 on chips I don't really need.

But damn, its tempting. Is there a deadline?

[broomcorn1]

from a long time lurker:
fwiw...the blues look so much better and i have no use for .25c chips.
hope the $1's end up blue!

ten, thanks for all the work.
-broomcorn

[TenPercenter]

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This set looks amazing Ten, absolutely amazing. I've just spend $550 on a set of customs for myself, but I'm still considering buying 3-400. Thus I haven't answered the poll yet. I have to consider my level of sanity if I decide to spend yet another $400 on chips I don't really need.

But damn, its tempting. Is there a deadline?

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Thanks. There is no deadline yet, because there is no hard deal in place. Once we assess what kind of order we;re really looking at, it'll move fairly fast from there.

Ten

[vai777]

Ten, do you know that the new mold is going to look like the one in your mockups or is that just an educated guess

[mckee27]

me too.......Blue for the $1 chip...all the way.

[mckee27]

Screw the blank chip. Who is paying for it?...all of us?

[mckee27]

I agree....

[Gizmata]

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Screw the blank chip. Who is paying for it?...all of us?

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Each major graphic change ($250) works out to about $0.005 extra per chip for us. So if you buy 1000 it will cost $5 extra, or instead you could have 1005 chips at the price without the extra graphic.

IMO its kinda a tossup, its not hurting me that much to add a variant that may get a couple more people to buy in to make it happen.

-Giz

[mckee27]

Ten: Why did you change the design of the blue chip? Now the blue and the green look identical, both have wings. Not sure if I like that? And I thought the blue chip was going to be the $1 chip....so much for the poll???

[audiopostman]

I agree on both points.

[Wooderson]

I'd like a blank chip b/c I use a $5000 in tourneys and this set won't have that w/o a blank.

[smoore]

Guys, don't object to a blank chip, it will get enough people in to make the buy. It won't detract from an all denomination set because those sets won't have any blanks. As other posters have said it's a microscopic cost and will be EASY to tell a $1000 from a blank if some ahole tried to counterfeit.

[Accident]

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I think we're gonna need to do some work on the blank orange chip. Anyone have any suggestions? It just looks "empty" on the bottom half.

Keep in mind, it's a $350 charge for major changes, and a $150 for minor ones....

Ten

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I think it looks ok. My immediate thought is to put the symbol for 'gold' or 'wealth' in the denom space if either looks cool. I will google it in a few.
Accident /images/graemlins/club.gif
PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange. I am impressed so far with the quality of the chip. I'll be getting a set just to keep up w/the Jones's. How ironic that the nearest 'Jones' is 900 miles away!
A /images/graemlins/club.gif

[jojobinks]

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PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange.

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i've been abusing mine for a couple of weeks and they're filthy!

[KeysrSoze]

Excuse my newness, but I've been websearching for some good clay chips and came across this thread, and I think you've designed the classiest fantasy casino chips I've ever seen. Registered here just to get involved (though I have lurked here before somewhat). Can anyone make an order commitment, and is there a minimum?

As for the orange wild chip, maybe a plain great pyramid viewed edge on, or slightly askew like this pic? http://www.black-triangle-ufo-roma.com/EgyptIconsPhotos/Great_Pyramid_View.jpg

edit: hmmm, duh, theres already a pyramid chip /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Lumpy]

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PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange.

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i've been abusing mine for a couple of weeks and they're filthy!

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Can some people post pictures of the white and orange so we can see how dirty we are talking about here? Maybe we can convince Ten to make the $1 blue.

[Accident]

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i believe ten's cut will be 0 dollars. but your post brings to mind a certain thought that has been stated before. it goes something like "you have choices. you can always choose to go elsewhere."

another thought: chipcos retail at $1. paulson JB's retail at $1.15.

recently you posted that they should go for .6 in this group buy. i think you're dreaming.

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lets be real here. something just smells awefully fishy. we are ordering 100,000 chips and the best you can do is .90 cents a chip? ok lets look at the dice702 chips. he sells 5,000 chips for .92 cents each. are you telling me he is only making 2 cents a chip? please, get real. i am not buying it. be realistic people and use some common sense.

and btw, i believe ten is making 0 profit. i was simply making a point. i would trust that he would be completely honest about this.

and btw, Chipcos now retail for 1.10 .

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based on the amount ordered and the price of dice's chips, i am saying that this is where the right price should be.

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A little over a year ago the internet price for the "Fabulous Las Vegas" Paulson chips was $.59 a piece and ChipCo's direct from Chipco was $.70 ($.72? cant be sure).
ChipCo's from internet sellers were 70 to 95 cents a piece at that time also. I purchased Fab's and Oysters/Paradise chips at that time. Shortly after, chipco raised its price. I'm sure that Chipco changed it's retail price to keep the resellers happy.
Paulson had already stopped making the homegame chips, so the price went up. I believe it's the manufacturers who raised the prices and also restricted the resellers.
We are getting horned alright, but I think its ChipCo and Paulson, not the resellers. If RETAIL is 59 cents on a Paulson generic home game chip, what was WHOLESALE? 42cents, marked up 30% is 60cents. I don't think 60cents is too far off actual manufacturing costs for custom Paulsons. We may never see that kind of pricing, but that doens't mean Paulson's cost is that high.
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[jojobinks]

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PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange.

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i've been abusing mine for a couple of weeks and they're filthy!

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Can some people post pictures of the white and orange so we can see how dirty we are talking about here? Maybe we can convince Ten to make the $1 blue.

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i'll try later today. my camera blows, but i'll see if i can do the filth justice.

[omar]

Question - is Pauson capable of, and if so, will they, line up the inlay with an edge spot? This isn't really critical, I am just curious.
The chips are beautiful, would love to have a set. Just not sure I can swing the $$.

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PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange.

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i've been abusing mine for a couple of weeks and they're filthy!

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Can some people post pictures of the white and orange so we can see how dirty we are talking about here? Maybe we can convince Ten to make the $1 blue.

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Yes, Boss, coming right up!
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[Lumpy]

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PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange.

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i've been abusing mine for a couple of weeks and they're filthy!

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Can some people post pictures of the white and orange so we can see how dirty we are talking about here? Maybe we can convince Ten to make the $1 blue.

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Yes, Boss, coming right up!
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Sorry, I forgot to say please. Thank you.

[TenPercenter]

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Excuse my newness, but I've been websearching for some good clay chips and came across this thread, and I think you've designed the classiest fantasy casino chips I've ever seen. Registered here just to get involved (though I have lurked here before somewhat). Can anyone make an order commitment, and is there a minimum?

As for the orange wild chip, maybe a plain great pyramid viewed edge on, or slightly askew like this pic? http://www.black-triangle-ufo-roma.com/EgyptIconsPhotos/Great_Pyramid_View.jpg

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Keysr, welcome to the forum, am glad you're on board. There is no minimum for the group buy. Commit to as many as you like.

As for the blank chip, we're going to put an egyptian symbol in the spot where the denom would have been. It will either be the same color of the others (red) or a gold color. It'll be about the same size. No photographic picturews in that spot....

Ten

[TenPercenter]

Boy, you "blue $1 chip" guys are passionate about the subject. I get many MANY different type of requests, all of which I could never grant, but this subject is popping up from all angles. Even in a couple of the orders I've been getting (16 so far). When I was leaning towards making the $1 blue, I got the same IM's about that, so I know it's a hot topic.

I will make a decision about it, but please DO keep in mind, it's mine to make . There can't be 100 poeple getting what they want. If that could happen, we'd have a 30 chip set, clay, ceramic, and coin inlay, with and without a theme, with and without denoms, some with no inlay at all, all colors under the rainbow, and at .60 cents each, all Paulson chips.

I know each of you may feel passionate about the one "hot button" item you're requesting, but understand that there is another guy that feels just as passionately to have the opposite of what you're wanting. I'll make a decision on it when all the dust settles.

And Lumpy's right. Take some photos of the white and orange Paulsons you've been shuffling. Mine are dirty, but not as dirty as people are making out...

Ten


p.s. A good point for the "blue $1 crowd" is that the round inlay should be on the white chip. There's another reason to make the white chip the 25¢, since I want the "most simple" inlay shape to be on the cheapest chip. It's goofy to put a shaped inlay on a white chip...

[TenPercenter]

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Question - is Pauson capable of, and if so, will they, line up the inlay with an edge spot? This isn't really critical, I am just curious.
The chips are beautiful, would love to have a set. Just not sure I can swing the $$.

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I'll put that question to them. Welcome to the board.

Ten

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Dirt is minor actually. These colors are so bright that in any kind of bright light, ie, poker table conditions, The dirt is barely noticable. It fills the tiny ridges and letters around the perimeter. Dirt only showed up using outside ambient lighting w/o a flash.
I'm no photographer either!
Best I could do.
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http://home.rgv.rr.com/ranchoos/PaulsonDirty100.jpg
http://home.rgv.rr.com/ranchoos/PaulsonDirty1000.jpg
http://home.rgv.rr.com/ranchoos/PaulsonDirty25.jpg
http://home.rgv.rr.com/ranchoos/PaulsonDirty50cent.jpg
The $25 shows how the ridges pick up grime and then it builds up rather quickly in an area. Easily washes off w/Automatic dishwashing liquid and water.
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Double secret PS: This wear is after hours in my car clanking and shuffling as I drive in my outside sales job for about 3 weeks.

[toots]

Ten,

I don't care about the colors, shapes or mold.

If it's Paulsons designed by you, I'm in.

Just thought you might need to hear someone not complaining at least once today.

[TenPercenter]

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I've been shuffling these non stop at my desk since the day they came out.

http://img127.exs.cx/img127/3815/img09844sa.jpg

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[X-Files]

Chip breakdowns?

Should I start a new thread?

I want to get a 1000 chip set I do not think I will need .25 chips. I guess in that respect I like the blue chip better but I will deal with white $1 chips.

Could I get some ideas on some breakdowns for the $1 - $1000 chips? These will just be used for home games. I do not think I will be running any tourneys. I do not think I will want a blank chip. I have a set of 700 pokerchips.com chips that are blank. I only have 5 colors in my set. The $1 -$1000 is 6 colors.

What the hell. Could I get some breakdowns for the .25 - $1000 also? Just to compare.

Thanks for the help.

[TenPercenter]

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I don't care about the colors, shapes or mold.

If it's Paulsons designed by you, I'm in.

Just thought you might need to hear someone not complaining at least once today.

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[messenger309]

I have been thinking about this also. How many chips do you need for a lifetime of poker?

The tourney question is easily answered. I run one table SNG's. 1000 chips to start with unlimited rebuys for the first three rounds plus an add on. My players are pretty loose so we typically put about 30000 chips in play. For this part of my game I plan on:
150 $5
200 $25
100 $100
50 $500
25 $1000
I like my players to have at least 30-40 actual chips to play with at the start so a starting stack would be 15 red,21 green and four black. Most guys take a rebuy right away: 5 black and a purple.
This setup also allows for larger non rebuy tourney's. The extra chips cut down on people needing change all the time and speeds up play.

Cash games are a little trickier. If you only play NL then your life is easier. Just buy enough of each denom to keep people from needing change all the time. I plan on 150 .25, 250 $1 chips. Once your game gets higher in limits you just move into your tourney set up anyway.

If you play limit, you need a lot more chips if you plan on having enough around to allow your game to grow in limits. Lets assume the average buyin is the textbook 40BB. If you start at 1/2 each player needs $80. For 8 players that is 640 chips if you use the same denom. This is a good choice for a cardroom but out of reach for the home host I think. Better to give each player 30 $1 and 10 $5. This means you need about 250 $1 chips plus a 100 or so .25 for the blinds.
3/6 can be played with a mix of $1 and $5 easily but 2/4 is gonna be a nightmare of change making and a lot of hands in the pot. 5/10 is doable with your tourney setup but 10/20 is going to have the same problem as 2/4. Any two chip/4 chip
structure is going to need a lot of chips. The local casino's near here simply spread 2/5 instead.

So far I am up to 825 chips and I plan on a 1000 so you can tweak your setup as you need.

Bottom line is a 1000 chips should be good for a lifetime of poker.

Rob

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Boy, you "blue $1 chip" guys are passionate about the subject. I get many MANY different type of requests, all of which I could never grant, but this subject is popping up from all angles. Even in a couple of the orders I've been getting (16 so far). When I was leaning towards making the $1 blue, I got the same IM's about that, so I know it's a hot topic.

I will make a decision about it, but please DO keep in mind, it's mine to make . There can't be 100 poeple getting what they want. If that could happen, we'd have a 30 chip set, clay, ceramic, and coin inlay, with and without a theme, with and without denoms, some with no inlay at all, all colors under the rainbow, and at .60 cents each, all Paulson chips.

I know each of you may feel passionate about the one "hot button" item you're requesting, but understand that there is another guy that feels just as passionately to have the opposite of what you're wanting. I'll make a decision on it when all the dust settles.

And Lumpy's right. Take some photos of the white and orange Paulsons you've been shuffling. Mine are dirty, but not as dirty as people are making out...

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p.s. A good point for the "blue $1 crowd" is that the round inlay should be on the white chip. There's another reason to make the white chip the 25¢, since I want the "most simple" inlay shape to be on the cheapest chip. It's goofy to put a shaped inlay on a white chip...

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Why can't you have both? It'll increase the group buys.

You can have white $1 and a blue $1, a white $0.25 and a blue $0.25. This way, you can pick and choose which you want. There are no rules that say you can't have 2 variations on a set.

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This is a little off the subject, but where can I order some samples of Paulson chips that will be used for this set?? Thanks

[TenPercenter]

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http://www.apachepokerchips.com/

Ten

[broomcorn1]

blue/white for each $1/.25 denom.
absolutely!

[morglum_s]

Ten;

The design looks great. These are really gonna be head and shoulders above any other clay's out there (including any chips from any real Casino!)

I do have one minor suggestion about the design. The rendering on the $5 red chip doesn't seem to match the rest. It is hard to articulate, but it looks 'flatter' than the rest. The other icons have a 3-d embossed look to them but the pyramids on the $5 look more 2-d drawn than 3-d rendered. They dont seem to have the same level of detail or shading that the other chips have. I can try and describe it better if I'm not being clear enough, but hopefully you can get what I'm talking about.

Having said that, I'm still on the fence about signing up for the pre-order. I was really exited about this project when you first announced it, but I seem to have some contrary desires to the rest of the group.

First off I was hoping to see something non-denominational. I know this isn't going to happen. Also I wasn't really too jazzed about the faux-casino, although I really think you've come up with a super classy design for it (just the fact that it's in Cairo instead of Vegas is a huge plus!)

Finally the two issues that are really going to make or break the deal for me are the inlay shapes and the cost. I realize everyone else is really stoked on the different inlay shapes, but to me they are just too busy and detract from the elegance of the design. I could see the hex maybe, but the cog and some of the others are just overkill for me.

As for the cost, I didn't have the super-low expectation that a few other's had, but $.95 a pop doesn't seem like the discount I was expecting to get for a order this size. I am sure this has been touched on before, but the group buy on the other board is going for ~$0.93 a piece, and it seems like this is a larger order and there should be at least one less middle man in our case? Maybe I am not fully sensitized to the true costs (including artwork etc,) but can't I get a fully custom orders from PC.com or TR King for right around $1 a chip? Anyway I know you didn't specify any prices until recently but I was expecting something south of $.90 at least.

I think in the end, I am going to wait until the inlay shape plays out and see we where we are. Also I am going to wait until Trademark gomes out with their new mold to get some samples (I don't even have the new JB's yet...)

But Ten even though everyone here has their sticking points (as I've piled on in this post) you have done an awsome job and a lot of people are going to be really happy with the results! Thanks for your efforts!

-M

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http://www.apachepokerchips.com/

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[aero918]

Ten - the chip designs look great.

I have a suggestion (not that you need anymore /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Make the blank chip the same color as the 25 cent chip. As the set stands now, the blank would be blue and allow all the people that want the blue $1 chip to use the blue blank instead of the white 1$. It will also allow all the people (like myself) that would use the blank as a high value chip to to do so without it being confused with the $1000 orange chip.

It would be interesting to see how many people would use the blank as a high value chip versus a low value chip (might help the decision on to color it like the $1000 or the 25c).

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[TenPercenter]

morglum,

Thanks for the kind words on the overall design. I'm proud of them too.

Re: $5 image not as 3D as the rest: I know what you're saying, and it was a decision I had to make all along the way. I really like that pyramid image, and I had planned to use it on my first set too, which is why I retained the rights for it. We tried to build the rest of the set around the same style, but images are not plentiful with that grainy/cartoony look. But here's the crux: These images are going to be reduced to a very small size, and some of the detail will be lost anyway. once we get them onto chips (or at least proofs from Paulson), they will be more similar.

Re: No Denoms: Well, Like I said before, I'm not considering taking denoms off. Not a change of that happening. However, I made a comprimise and added the "black" chip that can be used for a missing chip in anyone's game.

Re: Inlay shapes. Well, this hasn't been as hard a choice as some other elements [ $1 white or blue ] because almost everyone wants shaped inlays. I certainly want them. The designer is currently against them for design reasons, but he also likes the idea. Since we are back to a standard inlay (7/8"), we are limited on space once the edges start cutting into our circular canvas. We'll experiment with them for sure.

Re: Cost: You MUST keep in mind that this is a Paulson group buy. If we wanted TR King, we'd have a better price, no doubt. I wanted Paulson chips, and I didn't want either of the only two designs out there. So voila, Pharaoh's Club Paulsons. The price will not be lower than a group buy we organize with ANY OTHER clay manufacturer. No way around that. And I really don't think it's going to be .95 each. Like you, I expect it to be south of .90, and I'll do my best to make it happen.

Ten

[coyote]

In reply to the post about the $5 chip image, I think that is the best inlay image of the group!
I'm strongly in the camp of the #1 blue chip, simply because I don't know if I will buy the 25 cent chip, and the blue chip is fantastic looking! I'm not thrilled with the $500 image either. But that's just me giving my nitpicky opinion /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Regardless, I'll be buying at least 600, fantastice job Ten and Johnny5! You guys have really done some incredible work.

[TenPercenter]

I wanted to keep all the designer's names of out the foray until the designs were done. It's still a little early, but I've been anxious to show Johnny5 some respect for all the work he's done, and for obsorbing the COUNTLESS emails from me everyday.

John offered to help out on this project for no charge at all. Due to all the hard work he's done (and what's yet to come), I am going to be sending him a set of 300 of these chips. Thanks again John, great work.

Ten


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p.s. Please refrain from asking for any design changes directly to Johnny5. He gets enough of those from me. /images/graemlins/smile.gif If asked, he will just tell you to mention it to me instead. I welcome all design requests in the public forum, and I welcome Johnny5 to the discussions.
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[TripKings]

Re: the blue vs white $1 chip I'm not sure making 4 chips instead of 2(two blue and two white) is a feasable solution(maybe increased buys would offset costs?)- it seems like something to consider.

Also, after someone mentioned inflation - wouldn't it make more sense to make the lowest denom the blank one? Say a blank wild white that could be used as .25, .50, 3, 10 or 5000 and then the blue $1 - to - orange $1000. I guess it depends if there are more people that want a 25 denom or a 1000 denom and not have their wild be that color. What I'm saying is - it doesn't make sense to me to have a wild that is the same color as a chip you already have in your set - so my suggestion it to just make the lowest denom be the blank(maybe white) and kill two birds with one stone and satify the most people. Just some suggestions.

[aero918]

That is a good suggestion. I could live with a 7 piece chip set that consisted of a blank, $1, $5, $25, $100, $500, and $1000. However, if the set were reduced to 7 chips I would rather have a 25c chip versus a blank.

Currently we usually run 2 tourments in a night with low limit games going on before during and after the tournaments for the people that drop out. The low limit games are usually 50c / $1 or $1 / $2. Therefore, we would never use the blank for our limit games. I would just buy a few more 25c chips. I could see us using the blank in tournaments as a $5000 chip and like the idea of a blank chip for future higher stakes games.

The one thing I know at this point is that I wont buy the blank if its the same color as any of the chips between $25 and $1000 since it isnt needed for our limit games.

At this point, Ten has already gone through the trouble of designing an 8-chip set and I dont believe it would save use any money going back to a 7 chip set so I will be happy with whatever Ten decides on the blank and $1 chips. I am just eager to see the final set Ten chooses and then I will adjust my 650 - 1000 chip order appropriately!

[Iron Butt]

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This looks like a common issue to me, vector (the pyramid graphic) vs. bitmap (the rest) images. The only one I really notice it on is the pharaoh mask ($1). Frankly I think it'll be fine but if you decide to do something about it, converting bitmap to vector is easy to not too hard depending on whether you get something you like on the first pass and could get you noticeably closer in style than just relying on the loss of detail from resizing and printing etc.

I'm sure your graphics guy can do it, or if he's unfamiliar with that, I'd be willing to take a shot.

Keep up the great work!

[bubbafry]

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I agree. It was the image that drew me to the set in the first place (from the original design poll).

[jojobinks]

Hey Ten: i'm jumping on the "great chips, i've got no complaints" bandwagon. oh wait, i do have a complaint; i've got to wait 'til june to get these babies in play? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Wooderson]

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I'm pretty much with Jojo here.

[jojobinks]

about breakdowns:

homepokertourny.com chips needed page (http://www.homepokertourney.com/chips_needed.htm) recommends, assuming one table T1000 stacks

200 x $5
200 x $25
50 x $100
50 x $500

i usually run that kind of tournament. i dream of expanding to two tables, but for now, i'll probably go with some variation of that breakdown. i'd like to have a different set for cash table; i might nexgen/label some for the short-term.

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i've been abusing mine for a couple of weeks and they're filthy!

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Can some people post pictures of the white and orange so we can see how dirty we are talking about here? Maybe we can convince Ten to make the $1 blue.

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PS, I have been abusing my samples of these chips for a couple weeks now and they show very little wear, if any. Just some minor hand dirt on the orange.

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Here are some pictures. The new paulsons have been shuffled for the past 2 weeks, id estimate about 3-4 hours TOTAL, they have never been used in a game.

http://shoefreaks.com/poker/white1.jpg
http://shoefreaks.com/poker/yellow1.jpg

Here is a picture of a Blue Chip James bond white, it has been in about 20 tournaments.
http://shoefreaks.com/poker/white2.jpg

Here is a picture of my Le Cove white, this was shuffled for about 90 days, BUT it was only shuffled with a stack of 10 whites, although if they were made just like the new Paulsons you would still be able to see some dirt/rub-off on and from the edgespots.
http://shoefreaks.com/poker/white3.jpg

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that's about how dirty my orange and white are. i've had them 2 weeks, and i've cleaned them once already b/c of this. i shuffle them several hours a day.

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Re: the blue vs white $1 chip I'm not sure making 4 chips instead of 2(two blue and two white) is a feasable solution(maybe increased buys would offset costs?)- it seems like something to consider.

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Since Ten didn't comment on what I said earlier, by having the flexibility of a couple variants of a couple denoms would make the decisions for people a little easier. You know ahead of time how much you need of each variants. Since you're stuck with 7 chip colors, by changing the value of a couple inlays for certain chips can easily be made into a cash game set and a tourney set.

[Lumpy]

Wow! That is amazing. I can't believe how dirty those are! Do they seem to be wearing quickly? That seems very alarming.

[TenPercenter]

Are you sure you didn't take a crayon to those? /images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding.

Yeah, I can see how the new Paulson takes quite a bit more marking than the old (Le Cove) Paulson. I wonder why, maybe different material? It's a WORLD of difference, so it has to be something...

Ten

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about that: mine looked like that at first, but i think it's b/c i shook all my clay samples (25 or so) around in a pillowcase to break them in. after cleaning it the first time, i've mostly shuffled them, and it has none of those marks. just dirt.

[BreakEven]

I've had my samples a little over a week and the white and orange look similar...although not quite as scuffed. I know chips will get dirty with use but the white and orange Paulsons crapped up quickly. Most of it isn't dirt either. It other chips leaving color scuff marks. Why do the new Paulsons seem different than other Paulsons? Is it my imagination?

[TenPercenter]

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about that: mine looked like that at first, but i think it's b/c i shook all my clay samples (25 or so) around in a pillowcase

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Ten

[spicychili]

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This is one of the reasons I like the chipco chips. I like the clay but over time mine have rounded or been involved in some major alcohol abuse (massive amounts of beer spilt on the table and chips). My chipco’s seem to take a little more abuse (I have home games every other week).

I really like the design though. Good work Ten

[rickw]

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I've had my samples a little over a week and the white and orange look similar...although not quite as scuffed. I know chips will get dirty with use but the white and orange Paulsons crapped up quickly. Most of it isn't dirt either. It other chips leaving color scuff marks. Why do the new Paulsons seem different than other Paulsons? Is it my imagination?

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I've had the exact same experience -- my samples got pretty dirty (no game use) with just a little shuffling over a week or so. I don't have a lot of experience w/ older Paulsons however, so maybe this is just what you get w/ chips that have this kind of feel. I can't decide if this is a huge problem for me or not.

[bubbafry]

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about that: mine looked like that at first, but i think it's b/c i shook all my clay samples (25 or so) around in a pillowcase to break them in. after cleaning it the first time, i've mostly shuffled them, and it has none of those marks. just dirt.

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So maybe they just mark each other up when they're new, and once they're broken in, the colors don't rub off as easily? It also just might be the fact that we're all shuffling the white chips with all the different color samples, including black and green. I can't remember the last I shuffled white chips with black and green ones in the casino. Maybe next time I'm in the card room I'll try to mark up the whites with the reds, greens, and blacks.

[Fins]

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[RagleGumm]

Good job Johnny5, nice work on the design.

Ten - I'm especially liking the colour scheme for the 5,10 &amp; 500$ chips.

[FastFrank]

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What 10?

[TenPercenter]

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Ten - I'm especially liking the colour scheme for the 5,10 &amp; 500$ chips.

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What 10?

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I figure he meant 100.

Ten (10)

[mckee27]

I ageee, I really like the $5 (red), $100 (black), and $500 (purple) as well. The whole set, once complete, is going to ROCK. Keep up the great work Ten.

[TenPercenter]

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I ageee, I really like the $5 (red), $100 (black), and $500 (purple) as well. The whole set, once complete, is going to ROCK. Keep up the great work Ten.

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We are chaning the blue image, there's no dount in that. But what does everyone think about the green's image? Winged Isis? Any comments?

Ten

[GAV8]

1st off GL with your plans...If there is to be only 1 winged thingy i would like to see the green chip have the blue chips wing thingy....Therefore putting a new sign on the blue $1...GL

[TenPercenter]

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1st off GL with your plans...If there is to be only 1 winged thingy i would like to see the green chip have the blue chips wing thingy....Therefore putting a new sign on the blue $1...GL

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Everyone, if I am going to use either the vulture you see on the blue chip or the Isis you see on the green chip, which would you keep? (forget which chip it will be one, just pick the better image)

Ten

[RagleGumm]

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Ten - I'm especially liking the colour scheme for the 5,10 &amp; 500$ chips.

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What 10?

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I figure he meant 100.

Ten (10)

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Yes I was refering to the 100$ chip, sorry about that.

[jojobinks]

i prefer the isis pic from the green chip.

[mckee27]

I like the ISIS over the vulture, it is much more along the lines of the Pharaoh/Egyptian theme.

[aero918]

Isis is a much more recognizable egyptian figure to me rather than a vulture. I would definitely keep Isis!!!!

[aero918]

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Are you sure you didn't take a crayon to those? /images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding.

Yeah, I can see how the new Paulson takes quite a bit more marking than the old (Le Cove) Paulson. I wonder why, maybe different material? It's a WORLD of difference, so it has to be something...

Ten

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Ten have you asked Paulson about this?

It would be bad if scuff marks appeared everytime someone splashed the pot and the chips had to be cleaned after every tournament. I can live with gradual dirt build-up but not colored scuff marks. This may be a sign of quality issues. Hopefully it is isolated to those specific production runs.

[TenPercenter]

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Are you sure you didn't take a crayon to those? /images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding.

Yeah, I can see how the new Paulson takes quite a bit more marking than the old (Le Cove) Paulson. I wonder why, maybe different material? It's a WORLD of difference, so it has to be something...

Ten

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Ten have you asked Paulson about this?

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No. I was being facetious with that comment. As bad as the white and orange chips are marked up (with very sharp, long marks) I feel that it must be the result of more (or a different type of) abuse than riffling them.

Ten

[mmbt0ne]

Half because these chips are amazing, and half because I can't let TP be the guy with the highest post count in this thread, I'll chime in.

DON'T SHAKE THE CHIPS TO BREAK THEM IN!!!

This is very bad, will scuff them up, and if you take the time to try to clean them, which I did after messing mine up, it will be more hassle to get what you can off, than to just shuffle some chips here and there to break them in.

I also clicked yes to the buying, but I won't be getting a full set unless I do really well in the next few days/weeks. Just enough to say I have some. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[aero918]

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Are you sure you didn't take a crayon to those? /images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding.

Yeah, I can see how the new Paulson takes quite a bit more marking than the old (Le Cove) Paulson. I wonder why, maybe different material? It's a WORLD of difference, so it has to be something...

Ten

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Ten have you asked Paulson about this?

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No. I was being facetious with that comment. As bad as the white and orange chips are marked up (with very sharp, long marks) I feel that it must be the result of more (or a different type of) abuse than riffling them.

Ten

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That makes a lot more sense...thanks!

[jtr]

I would also vote for the Isis image over the vulture. Not that the vulture looks bad, just that Isis seems to sit better with the overall theme.

[GAV8]

I liked how the vulture has the blue on the arms and body...It appears to be a brighter blue and makes the image jump out at me ....Maybe the green could be added to the isis on the "arm bands"? The isis seems rather plain to me as is...GL

[coyote]

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Everyone, if I am going to use either the vulture you see on the blue chip or the Isis you see on the green chip, which would you keep? (forget which chip it will be one, just pick the better image)

Ten

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I prefer the Isis on the $25 chip...

[Leonard]

How well do you think the Chipco Eqyptian Plaques will go with this set?

Leonard

[dawgma]

Aside from the inlay shape, do you think it's possible to get inlays with a matte/textured finish instead of the hard, slick finish like the JB's?

[TenPercenter]

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Aside from the inlay shape, do you think it's possible to get inlays with a matte/textured finish instead of the hard, slick finish like the JB's?

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I'll ask.

Ten

[bubbafry]

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I liked how the vulture has the blue on the arms and body...It appears to be a brighter blue and makes the image jump out at me ....Maybe the green could be added to the isis on the "arm bands"? The isis seems rather plain to me as is...GL

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I agree with you. The Isis fits better with the theme, but i s kinda plain and could use a little more color

[vai777]

If the $1 chip is blue and the graphic on the $1000 chips was different this would be a perfect set IMHO

[Larry Thompson]

I prefer the Winged Isis. I just like it better. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[mckee27]

We were thinking the same thing: use the plaques as a $5K chip for tournaments with this Pharaoh set.....I think it will work fine.

[mckee27]

Ten: How is the Pharaoh's club looking for orders? You getting plenty of people signing up on the 'promise-to-pay' order form?? Just wondering.

[smoore]

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We were thinking the same thing: use the plaques as a $5K chip for tournaments with this Pharaoh set.....I think it will work fine.


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This is my plan.

[House of Payne]

Ten,

Definitely Isis.

[Larry Thompson]

I would really like to support Ott on his suggestion. I know this is a really emotional issue for a lot of people. I know it is for me. Whenever I see a $1 chip that isn't white I just feel that it is wrong. I would really find it difficult to go with a set that didn't have a WHITE $1 chip.

I think that it would be best for everyone, if the blue and white chips, were each offered in a $0.25 and $1.00 denomination.

In order to help this happen I would be willing to pledge an additional $100 along with the 750 chip order I have already promised (which I promised after it was decided to use the white $1 chip).

I'd also like to mention that with an order of the size we are talking about, (and it will probably be much larger with this option) the cost per chip is going to be miniscule. This could be the Mother of all poker chip group buys.

In closing I would like to thank Ten and the graphic artists that are so generously donating their time and talents to this wonderful chip design and group buy project. This is truly a unique set of poker chips. /images/graemlins/smile.gif <font color="blue"> </font>

Larry

[House of Payne]

Larry and Ott,

I originally missed the post that talked about .25 and $1 on both blue and white chips. I completely agree with Larry that this deserves some emphasis as this would be the best of both worlds.

In terms of cost, if we use the same inlay graphics on both the .25 white and .25 blue and the same graphics on the $1 white and $1 blue, we don't increase the costs any. Right? Paulson shouldn't care, they'd just start production of the white chips with the first inlay and then insert the second inlay when they finish with the first.

But, would it look "right" from the artist point of view? This is where Ten shines and I'm hopelessly inept. Now the Sphinx needs to look good on the blue chip too and the new graphic (Scarab?) needs to look good on both chips.

Last option is having 4 different inlay graphics, sphinx with .25 and $1, and Scarab? with .25 and $1. Now we incur designer charges. I'm not sure what that would cost. Maybe Larry's $100 would cover it? Thanks Larry! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Larry Thompson]

Looks like I am going to have to order some of those expensive Egyptian plaques too. I should be able to get by with about 50 for a one table tournament. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[aero918]

oh no...looks like a we may have to have a group buy for the egyptian plaques too!!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Larry Thompson]

Yes, I would also like to see a linen or textured surface inlay. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Leonard]

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Yes, I would also like to see a linen or textured surface inlay. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Ditto.

Leonard

[TenPercenter]

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Yes, I would also like to see a linen or textured surface inlay. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I've already sent this request, we'll see what Paulson says.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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I think that it would be best for everyone, if the blue and white chips, were each offered in a $0.25 and $1.00 denomination.

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I will not be ordering a different color denom for anyone. Each color (7) will have a chosen denomination, and only one denomination. To help alleviate the $1 white chip disagreement, I am making three blanks. Blue, white, and orange will be offered in their denom version and blank version.

Ten

[duma]

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I'd also like to mention that with an order of the size we are talking about, (and it will probably be much larger with this option) the cost per chip is going to be miniscule. This could be the Mother of all poker chip group buys.

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Nope, its still .90 a chip.

[Larry Thompson]

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I would really like to support Ott on his suggestion. I know this is a really emotional issue for a lot of people. I know it is for me. Whenever I see a $1 chip that isn't white I just feel that it is wrong. I would really find it difficult to go with a set that didn't have a WHITE $1 chip.

I think that it would be best for everyone, if the blue and white chips, were each offered in a $0.25 and $1.00 denomination.

In order to help this happen I would be willing to pledge an additional $100 along with the 750 chip order I have already promised (which I promised after it was decided to use the white $1 chip).

I'd also like to mention that with an order of the size we are talking about, (and it will probably be much larger with this option) the cost per chip is going to be miniscule. This could be the Mother of all poker chip group buys.

In closing I would like to thank Ten and the graphic artists that are so generously donating their time and talents to this wonderful chip design and group buy project. This is truly a unique set of poker chips.

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Nope, its still .90 a chip.

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I was referring only to the cost of the artwork changes necessary as being miniscule. And it would still be about .90 a chip. I also understand that having a denomination option for the White and Blue chips would probably create additional hassles, confusion and possibilities for error in the ordering process that Ten would probably not want to have to deal with.

[TenPercenter]

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I'd also like to mention that with an order of the size we are talking about, (and it will probably be much larger with this option) the cost per chip is going to be miniscule. This could be the Mother of all poker chip group buys.

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Nope, its still .90 a chip.

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Duma, he meant the "cost per chip" to add varied denominations would be miniscule, not the "cost per chip" for the final price. No price has been set yet.

Ten

[ott]

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I think that it would be best for everyone, if the blue and white chips, were each offered in a $0.25 and $1.00 denomination.

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I will not be ordering a different color denom for anyone. Each color (7) will have a chosen denomination, and only one denomination. To help alleviate the $1 white chip disagreement, I am making three blanks. Blue, white, and orange will be offered in their denom version and blank version.

Ten

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That's one way to bow to others' complaints.

Is it that much different to have a blue $1 or a blue non denom? Or a white $1 and a white non-denom? etc...

[jojobinks]

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I think that it would be best for everyone, if the blue and white chips, were each offered in a $0.25 and $1.00 denomination.

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I will not be ordering a different color denom for anyone. Each color (7) will have a chosen denomination, and only one denomination. To help alleviate the $1 white chip disagreement, I am making three blanks. Blue, white, and orange will be offered in their denom version and blank version.

Ten

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That's one way to bow to others' complaints.

Is it that much different to have a blue $1 or a blue non denom? Or a white $1 and a white non-denom? etc...

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i think all seven colors should be blank and denominated. also, we should have all combinations of denominations. plaques too. and all chips should have a choice of clay and ceramic. and i think the theme should be phil hellmuth.

[bubbafry]

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and i think the theme should be phil hellmuth.

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HAHA, sweet.

[Wooderson]

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I think that it would be best for everyone, if the blue and white chips, were each offered in a $0.25 and $1.00 denomination.

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I will not be ordering a different color denom for anyone. Each color (7) will have a chosen denomination, and only one denomination. To help alleviate the $1 white chip disagreement, I am making three blanks. Blue, white, and orange will be offered in their denom version and blank version.

Ten

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Not to nay-say here Ten, but why not take the next step and make all 7 available as blanks rather than just three?

Oh, I think the Isis is great. The $25 has been one of my favorites (along with the $1) the whole time.

[PokerChamp22]

Ten,

The chips are awesome. I'm pretty sure I will be buying around 400-500 or so, just waiting to see a few more decisions made before I decide to jump in for sure.

Great job man.

[TripKings]

Ten,

I remember this question being asked, but I didn't see(read) and answer so I'll ask it again. Is this order a one-time shot or will Apache or Trademark be selling these exact chips afterwards(albeit at an increased price)? Just wondering if I(we) need to consider spares or the complete set we want - up front.

Also, if they will be available - is it possible to work out a deal with Apache, or whomever the reseller is going to be, to boost our initial buy to 250,000(partening with the reseller) to get a better price?

Keep up the outstanding work.

[E Hanhan]

%Those mockups look really good, 10. Nice work. I got some of the home paulson samples, and I really liked everything about the chips. Evertyhing but the inlay, that is, I think that eqyptian theme looks damn good.

I want to be in on this, but I need a few more days before i can commit to the preorder, I dont want to back out on youse guys

[E Hanhan]

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WHOA, you changed the $1 to white? I thought you were going with blue?

Anyways, if you decide to have a $1 Blue I will be down for 2500 chips. The white paulsons look horrible after 2 hours of play.

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My samples are grimy as hell. The white espically. The orange does show the grime, but the white just makes it worse b/.c of the offwhite on the edge spots.

I would definetly prefer the blue as a $1 chip sinec those are used so much more and would show the dirt less. I just worry about cash games and the denoms. But it doesnt matter to me, since you are offerering the blue in nondenom, too.

[jojobinks]

more filthy chip pics. these are this dirty after two weeks. and i cleaned them once already. yes, yes, i did shake them around in a pillowcase. but i didn't abuse them besides that. i learned to shuffle with them, and have been doing so several hours a day since. sorry about the size...

http://img137.exs.cx/img137/6719/filthyorange2bj.jpg
http://img162.exs.cx/img162/9929/filthywhite5aj.jpg

[TenPercenter]

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Is this order a one-time shot or will Apache or Trademark be selling these exact chips afterwards(albeit at an increased price)? Just wondering if I(we) need to consider spares or the complete set we want - up front.

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Well, While encourage you to buy as many as possible to help the group buy, I can say that they weill almost surely be available for some months asfte rthe group buy. I can't really say for sure past that. In order to have credit card sales, I'll HAVE to use a vendor of some sort, but it will add to price (an essential service).


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Also, if they will be available - is it possible to work out a deal with Apache, or whomever the reseller is going to be, to boost our initial buy to 250,000(partening with the reseller) to get a better price?

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This is an interesting concept. I'll look into it.

Ten

[broomcorn1]

well, while we're all complaing...
to change topics a bit, am i understanding correctly that none of the chips will have a standard circular inlay? what is the rationale behind those "funky" shapes?
am i just clueless and in the minority in thinking the standard circle looks better?

[jojobinks]

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what is the rationale behind those "funky" shapes?
am i just clueless and in the minority in thinking the standard circle looks better?

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we don't know that we can get the non-standard inlays. my understanding is that the chips will have differently shaped inlays if it's possible. but, yes, you are in the minority; you're the first, in fact, that i've heard say you don't like them.

[Hardmix]

These pics make the decision on white vs. blue pretty clear to me!

[toots]

I think Ten has already made it quite clear that the white vs. Blue issue is settled, and that further controversy will just serve to annoy him.

I could be wrong, but hey, let's not get everyone so worked up that nothing happens.

[X-Files]

Any updates on the artwork? Just curious.

[Johnny5]

Ten,

Thanks, I appreciate it, though you deserve much of the credit here.

While I have refrained from posting much in these threads, I have been reading through all of the comments, and I like many of the ideas that have been presented.

I feel that the design is becoming more and more refined, and I think we are very close to a workable set. Just a few more tweaks here &amp; there.

Now, I think we only need about 6 more polls, and we'll be there... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

J5

[Wooderson]

Anyone else chomping at he bit today to see if Ten hears from Paulson about Shaped Inlays, Art Changes, Mold/Inlay changes, Etc. Etc.?

Hey TenPercenter - The $0.25 looks amazing now with the Kephera, and I like the additions you made on the blanks in place of a denomination mark. While what I said a few posts earlier about making them all available as blanks was facitious, now I wish you would!

[jojobinks]

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I think Ten has already made it quite clear that the white vs. Blue issue is settled, and that further controversy will just serve to annoy him.

I could be wrong, but hey, let's not get everyone so worked up that nothing happens.

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i know it's settled, and i'm not trying to get anybody worked up. i think that making 3 blank chips kinda shuts down all the complaints anyhow.

my chips are nasty dirty though (well, not anymore, i cleaned them after those pics), and i guess i needed to share.

[TenPercenter]

Notice on the first post that there are new images in place for the blue chip and the blank chips.

We changed the image on the blue chip to a new winged scarab (better IMO) which is much different than the horizontal winged vulture. The vulture was nice, but too closely resembled the winged Isis on the green chip.

We've also added the blue and white non-denom chips to the orange. The eighth image is an animated version of the three chips. Those red symbols may change a bit as we tweak them. Watch for any changes.

Ten

[jojobinks]

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[Johnny5]

Refresh!

[X-Files]

I had to reload the page to see the images. The only one I don't like is the $500. It just does not seem to fit the rest of the set.

[Leonard]

After lurking for a while I am going to put my two cent in re the blue vs white debate.

First a disclaimer: I am not sure if I am going to buy this set or not. However, the blue vs white controversy is not a deciding factor. I think I would prefer personalized chips and I am waiting to handle some samples of the pokerchip.com custom chips. If they feel good enough to me I will probably go custom. If not, probably Paulson Egyptians.

Secondly, I understand that this is not a democracy and that Ten has to have final say over the chip design. I have final say over whether or not I buy any.

I favor blue. The primary reason is that the Mirage, where I have played almost all of my casino poker uses blue one-dollar chips. I believe Ten is from the east coast and $1 chips are white in Atlantic City. I think that for nealy all of us, this is the primary reason we prefer one or the other. (In the JB Paulson set the blue chip is $1. However, the insert is ugly, so who cares?)

The only reason to buy expensive chips is to get the look/feel of a casino chip. The ultra cheap chips from the toy dept of WalMart function exactly the same as high-dollar chips. For this reason, I don’t like the idea of non-denom chips that are supposed to look like they came from a casino. The design even says “Pharaoh’s Club &amp; Casino” on it. I also think the chips should be consistent from one to another. For this reason, even though I prefer the blue $1 chip, I would buy a white $1 chip over a blue non-denom.

Also for this reason, if it were my choice, I would either leave it at white-$1/blue-.25 with NO non-denoms (and save a few bucks in art costs) or offer white in both denoms and blue in both denoms. For these chips with the Pharaoh’s logo, non denom’s don’t do much for me personally.

Arguments about how dirty white chips get make little sense to me in the setting of a home game, especially given that chips are mostly sorted and stacked with chips of the same color.


There you have it – my decision in a nutshell. I would clearly decide differently than Ten has on this issue, but, regardless, this is the most spectacular clay chip design that I have ever seen.

PS I just saw the new blue chip – it looks great. Much better than the turkey.


Leonard

[Leonard]

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I had to reload the page to see the images. The only one I don't like is the $500. It just does not seem to fit the rest of the set.

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I would pick the $500 as the best looking of the lot.
My mother would have said "To each his own - as Sally kissed the cow."

Leonard

[bubbafry]

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well, while we're all complaing...
to change topics a bit, am i understanding correctly that none of the chips will have a standard circular inlay? what is the rationale behind those "funky" shapes?
am i just clueless and in the minority in thinking the standard circle looks better?

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Yeah, most people like the shaped inlays (myself included). The only problem that might come up is that the inlay is going to be the smallest size, so shaping them might make them look tiny. I think most shaped inlays are the 2nd size (in between the small and the Grand). But I'm sure Ten will make sure it looks good before pulling the trigger. As it stands, I'm not even expecting shaped inlays because I get the feeling Paulson won't allow it, but that's just speculation on my part.

[Lumpy]

THP post (http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9232&amp;start=60&amp;sid=b2728798183b987a 20f8df75e845cfd3)

Look at the post from TechGuru.

I just don't understand why so much color is coming off of these so easily. Most casino chips do not even look that bad. I have clay sample from pretty much every other maker and have not noticed this happen to any of them.

[morglum_s]

Ok I have been trying to following the variuos threads, but am a little lost. Could someone summarize a couple of points for me:

Blue vs. White: We will have a blue $.25 and White $1. In addition we will have a non-denom blue, and a non-denom white? (what about orange, will that also come in a non-denom flavor?)

Blue/Green Icon: Is the icon on the Blue Chip changing? Are there mockups somewhere? Is there a central location with all the mockups (including non-denoms?)

Inlay shapes: I guess we don't know on this one yet. But the default is to go with shaped inlays if we can.?

Thank for clearing things up for me.

-m

[bubbafry]

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I just don't understand why so much color is coming off of these so easily. Most casino chips do not even look that bad. I have clay sample from preyty much every other maker and have not noticed this happen to any of them.

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I don't have much experience with Paulsons except at the casinos and the JB samples, but maybe they get dirty so easily because they're new? Maybe they just need to be broken in for a while. Maybe the the casino Paulson's dirtied each other up when they were new also. Look how worn down the casino chips get on the edges; that clay has to be going somewhere (probably onto other chips).
Anyway, given my options in home chips right now, having dirty chips is a small price to pay for the feel of those Paulsons. IMO, the Nevada Jack/Martini Club clay samples I have feel and sound like plastic compared to the Paulsons.

Edit: the chips were also pretty chalky/powdery when I first got them but it's basically gone away. Maybe the chalky powdery stuff adds to the grime and the chips will stay cleaner as the powdery stuff gets rubbed off.

[bubbafry]

BTW, I'm sure you know this, but just to let others know, the colored edgespots on those black chips haven't "rubbed off", they're just covered in dirt. If you clean them, they will look like new. AFAIK, the edgespots go all the way through the chip so they can't be rubbed off (according to a post from John from pokerchipreviews on the other forum, hope I'm not misquoting him).

[morglum_s]

Doh! If I would have waited 5 more minutes....

Thanks. Ten....

-m

[w_gibbs]

I have a question about the group buy. I don't play high limit games so I would probably only be interested in the small denominations. Can I get in on the group buy for about 500 chips of denominations $0.25, $1.00, $5.00, and $25.00, or do I have to get some of each denomination?

Thanks for your comments.

[TenPercenter]

you can get any combo you like.

ten

[TenPercenter]

who is on the $1 chip? do you know which pharaoh that is?

i want to use his throne name cartouche as the $1 NCV symbol. i asked j5 to show me a sample with tut's cartouche and i think it looks great. but i dont want to use tut's name on a chip with someone else's face...

ten

[X-Files]

I do not know who it is but I like the ncv chips so far.

[Johnny5]

Pretty sure it's Ramses II.

Anyone disagree?

J5

[TenPercenter]

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Pretty sure it's Ramses II.

Anyone disagree?

J5

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I'm leaning towards Tuthmosis III...

Ten


the resemblence is uncanny: http://www.secker.fsbusiness.co.uk/Assets/mummies/mtuthmosis3.jpg


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no seriously, I think this is the same guy: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/tuth1.jpg http://lightningsolutions.net/images/chips/big/white.jpg

[Larry Thompson]

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Yeah, most people like the shaped inlays (myself included). The only problem that might come up is that the inlay is going to be the smallest size, so shaping them might make them look tiny. I think most shaped inlays are the 2nd size (in between the small and the Grand). But I'm sure Ten will make sure it looks good before pulling the trigger. As it stands, I'm not even expecting shaped inlays because I get the feeling Paulson won't allow it, but that's just speculation on my part.

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I don't know if anyone else has run across this information, but it seems there is a third set of new Paulson home chips available out there. I found this set reviewed on PokerChipReviews.com and supposedly they are available through ApachePokerChips.com.

There also seems to be something very interesting about them which may strongly influence our buy. Rumor had it that Paulson wouldn't allow larger inserts on their home chips, but as you can see these are using grand sized inserts. Maybe there is still a chance for our varied insert shapes, although I must admit I think I am starting to really like the small inlay. Of course the small inlay would have to be on a chip with the small inlay space.

Also they have different edge spots. I don’t think I like the edge spots on this new set any better than what we are already looking at, but it might open up some more possibilities. I might like to see fewer sets of edge spots ( 3 instead of 4) on the lower denomination chips.

Here's an off the wall question. Does a chip with a small inlay and inlay space weigh more than a chip with a grand inlay? It seems that these new Paulson's do weigh a little less.

Also, I think that these grand inlays are butt ugly compared to Ten and company's fine work. /images/graemlins/smile.gif



http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/pix/paulsonhome1.jpg


http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/pix/paulsonhome2.jpg


http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/pix/paulsonhome3.jpg

[TenPercenter]

these were early release samples. re-read that article you saw on the review site. ...

ten



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Yeah, most people like the shaped inlays (myself included). The only problem that might come up is that the inlay is going to be the smallest size, so shaping them might make them look tiny. I think most shaped inlays are the 2nd size (in between the small and the Grand). But I'm sure Ten will make sure it looks good before pulling the trigger. As it stands, I'm not even expecting shaped inlays because I get the feeling Paulson won't allow it, but that's just speculation on my part.

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I don't know if anyone else has run across this information, but it seems there is a third set of new Paulson home chips available out there. I found this set reviewed on PokerChipReviews.com and supposedly they are available through ApachePokerChips.com.

There also seems to be something very interesting about them which may strongly influence our buy. Rumor had it that Paulson wouldn't allow larger inserts on their home chips, but as you can see these are using grand sized inserts. Maybe there is still a chance for our varied insert shapes, although I must admit I think I am starting to really like the small inlay. Of course the small inlay would have to be on a chip with the small inlay space.

Also they have different edge spots. I don’t think I like the edge spots on this new set any better than what we are already looking at, but it might open up some more possibilities. I might like to see fewer sets of edge spots ( 3 instead of 4) on the lower denomination chips.

Here's an off the wall question. Does a chip with a small inlay and inlay space weigh more than a chip with a grand inlay? It seems that these new Paulson's do weigh a little less.

Also, I think that these grand inlays are butt ugly compared to Ten and company's fine work. /images/graemlins/smile.gif



http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/pix/paulsonhome1.jpg


http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/pix/paulsonhome2.jpg


http://www.pokerchipreviews.com/pix/paulsonhome3.jpg

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[Larry Thompson]

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these were early release samples. re-read that article you saw on the review site. ...

ten

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I can see that now that your mention it. I guess what threw me off was that they appeared to be reviewed after the JB Paulson's.

PokerChipReviews.com should probably remove that review since it really serves no purpose now that the JB Paulson's are available. I'll mention it to them.

LT

[Johnny5]

You could be right but:

Ramses II

Page 1 (http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0020267.html)

Page 2 (http://www.archangelmichaelchurch.net/Home/generalinformation/PharonicStatues.htm)

J5

[duma]

Larry Thompson, your noobishness is now unquestioned. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[jtr]

What's it like being you, Duma? A little bit hectic?

[E Hanhan]

/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Im ready for these chips...

[PinataUT]

Can someone put a link in to the current image?

[morglum_s]

Ten;
It's looking good! I am happy about the non-denoms in both Blue and White. I really like the Ankh on the blue; I know it's not final, but I'd like to see a better symbol on the white non-denom. It looks a little "stick-figure"y compared to the blue and orange symbols. Also is there ANY chance you'd consider 1 more non-denom, like that sexy black chip???
-m

[TenPercenter]

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Can someone put a link in to the current image?

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http://tinyurl.com/4on7h


Always watch the first post of this thread. I'm replacing iamges as we make tweaks and updates.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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Ten;
I really like the Ankh on the blue; but I'd like to see a better symbol on the white non-denom. Also is there ANY chance you'd consider 1 more non-denom, like that sexy black chip???
-m

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I'm doing some shuffling tomorrow. J5 will move the "stick figure" to the $1000. I like that sybol, it means "1,000,000" in ancient Egyptian.

The $1 will get a new cartouche symbol, one that means "Men-kheper-re" which is the throne name for Thutmose III (Tuthmosis III).

The blue Ankh stays the same, I like it.

==========

There is very little chance I will offer a fourth non-denom.

Ten

[bubbafry]

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It looks a little "stick-figure"y compared to the blue and orange symbols.

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Yeah, I agree, it does look a little "stick-figure"y. I think it's because the lines are so thin compared to the denoms and other symbols. It might look better with thicker lines or with something like this:

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/8277/hehredsmall3dp.jpg

Maybe chop his hands off too.

[TenPercenter]

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It looks a little "stick-figure"y compared to the blue and orange symbols.

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Yeah, I agree, it does look a little "stick-figure"y. I think it's because the lines are so thin compared to the denoms and other symbols. It might look better with thicker lines or with something like this:

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/8277/hehredsmall3dp.jpg

Maybe chop his hands off too.

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On the surface that doesn't look too bad. I'll toss it around.

I have to keep his hands, that's what makes the sybol what it is. It's supposed to be "astonished man."

Ten

[smoore]

Man, this set is gonna be sweet. One of the coolest things about it is that you could make a three color set without denoms if you want. I'm hoping I have $1500 to spend on chips when the order comes around; these things are going to just go up in value, especially when you consider the discount the group buy will bring.

Any word from paulson about shaped inlays? Matte/Linen finish?

[TenPercenter]

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Any word from paulson about shaped inlays? Matte/Linen finish?

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Not yet.

Ten

[coyote]

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I had to reload the page to see the images. The only one I don't like is the $500. It just does not seem to fit the rest of the set.

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I agree completely with this. All the other inlay images seem much more vibrant and "belong" the $500 by comparison really seems dull and flat.

[aagaard]

Just FYI, if you offer a fourth non-denom chip in black Im in for probably 1000 chips

[beavis]

I'm new to this forum but have been lurking for a while. The group buy seems very interesting. I decided to call TrademarkPoker.com today to see what their bulk pricing is. I was told that for a 100,000 chip order the cost would be 75 cents per chip, plus artwork. They told me the artwork fees are usually around $350 total. If this is true, then the total cost should be .754 per chip.

The cost for 250,000 chips is not much cheaper than the 100,000 chips. This cost would be 73 cents per chip. Adding in the $350 charge for artwork would bring the total to .731 per chip.

Of course, this does not include the cost to ship 100,000 chips, but hopefully shipping can be taken care of on an individual basis.

Can someone tell me if there are any other fees that might be associated with this custom chip order through Trademark? Could the artwork fees be higher since these Pharaoh's chips have such a complex design? If not, it seems like an awesome deal!!!

[TenPercenter]

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I was told that for a 100,000 chip order the cost would be 75 cents per chip, plus artwork. They told me the artwork fees are usually around $350 total. If this is true, then the total cost should be .754 per chip.


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Yes, you got the correct price for the chip. However, I was quoted $350 for EACH SEPARATE design, unless they were very similar (ie, a denom change only). I have already sent preliminary versions of all seven chips, and was quoted almost $1000. This does not include the three new ones I've added (NCV chips). It looks to me like they are charging $350 for the first one, and about $50 for the next six because they were fairly similar.

Keep in mind that Trademark has not been too consistent lately when it comes to facts and information. My FIRST quote, which was on the phone, was .73 each, and FREE art. I think that got nipped in the bud once someone heard about it. (yes, yes, I am trying my best to hold them to the .73 quote...) I'll iron all that stuff out once I get an ACTUAL quote, along with proofs.


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Can someone tell me if there are any other fees that might be associated with this custom chip order through Trademark?

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Yes, there will definately be other fees. It's been hinted to me already that shaped inlays may have a cost. We'll see. There will probably be one or two other fees I just dont know about yet. Chipco for example charged me .02 per chip just for the freaking trays they shipped in.

The biggest jump in fees will be the retailer that vends them. They'll need .10 to .20 per chips to make it worth their time and costs. Just their credit card proceessing fees alone are going to cost them .02-.04 per chip. Then you have labor (the most expensive thing in ANY business). I am (and J5 is) putting many many hours of work into this, for free. You cannot expect a retailer to do the same. They have employees that are going to be working on this huge xshipping headache.

The retailer will have various other indirect costs related to running a retail business. Then, you must add his profit. We have to let him make a little money on it. He won't be doing it as a favor, and I'd never expect him to.

The biggest way to cut costs is to cut out the retailer. I don't see that happening, as we'd lose way too many members to the worry of sending money to a stranger for safekeeping (me). I could take Paypal payments, and Paypal has buyer protection, but it also has fees of 2-4% (2-4¢ per chip). I'm open to discussing this as an option for buyers that want the lowest price. But a retailer WILL be involved to allow anyone who wants to have it, to pay the premium for added peace of mind.

Ten

[Wooderson]

I don't know why, but I'd have reasonable peace of mind PayPal-ing the money to you Ten, if it meant a potential 13% - 27%+ discount ($.10 or $.20 per chip retailer margin pre-profit at a $.73 base price)

[TenPercenter]

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The cost for 250,000 chips is not much cheaper than the 100,000 chips.

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(skip to the last paragraph to see my main point, I get a little long winded sometimes)

Folks, we are throwing around the idea of getting an order for 250,000 chips, but we need to focus on the goal of 100,00 first. I have the "pre order' form set up to get an assesment of expected membership in the group buy. I can tell that people are taking it seriously, and not "stuffing the ballot box" because I usually get long comments with each order too (which keeps me happily busy answering questions and comments).

But we are just barely over a quarter of the way to our goal. Pretty soon we'll be ready to strike a deal with a retailer, and ready to approve proofs. After that, we're only going to have about 1-2 weeks of a "group buy" period to take REAL orders. I'll do my best to extend a second period of "lower than retail" prices for everyone involved, but beyond that the prices will be in the retail arena for an unknown period of time.

The point is, once we are ready to go with the order, we'll need everyone that wants a good price to pounce. That window of time between order opening and order ending will be small. So let's make the most of THIS discussion time, and get the word out everywhere! Post links to this thread so people will know about the ONLY CUSTOM PAULSON chip avalaible right now! Visit your other favorite forums, post links (where allowed/appropriate) and tell people about this awesome deal! We can't do it without a LOT more people!!! (And I know we can get them here...)

Here's the URL that I made for family and friends that keep asking "where can I go to see your chips?" -- http://tinyurl.com/4on7h (that leads to the first post in this thread) Post it in your regular discussion forums. Send email to friends that like nice chips. Hotlink any of my images if you like. Just please do your part and get the word out... (don't spam though)

Ten

[CreatureX]

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I had to reload the page to see the images. The only one I don't like is the $500. It just does not seem to fit the rest of the set.

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I agree completely with this. All the other inlay images seem much more vibrant and "belong" the $500 by comparison really seems dull and flat.

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I disagree. The $500 is my favorite behind only the $1000! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TenPercenter]

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I was told that for a 100,000 chip order the cost would be 75 cents per chip, plus artwork. They told me the artwork fees are usually around $350 total. If this is true, then the total cost should be .754 per chip.


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Yes, you got the correct price for the chip. However, I was quoted $350 for EACH SEPARATE design, unless they were very similar (ie, a denom change only). I have already sent preliminary versions of all seven chips, and was quoted almost $1000. This does not include the three new ones I've added (NCV chips). It looks to me like they are charging $350 for the first one, and about $50 for the next six because they were fairly similar.

Ten

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I made a mistake in breaking down the art charge I was quoted. I think it's $350 first chip, and $100 each one after that. So we're already at $1,250.00 for art setup including the three blanks.

Ten


p.s. You know what the best thing about getting into the third page of the thread is? Not having to scroll horizontally anymore because of that huge-ass photo of jojobink's dirty orange chip. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[standpat]

Just some thoughts..

First I think the set looks great.. excellent job.. it looks like its going to be the nicest set ever. And I was somewhat sceptical of a new egyptian set.. but wow...

second. For me its not a problem if the 1$ is white or blue. I would prefer white but its not that big a deal. But I realize that for many people it is.. And we need a lot of people in this to make it happend. 100 000 is a lot of chips.. so my suggestion is to make more options..

it wouldn't have that much of an impact if there were a couple of more options when it comes to denomination.

If the setupcharge is 1250$ (if I got it right) and add a blue 1$ a white 0,25$ and a blue 10$ the set up charge would be (1250$+300$) 1550$ and why not add another blank.. the black.. then it would be 1650$ again asuming I got it right. then everyone would be happy

the difference in price is as little as 0,004$pr chip.. which is a fair price if this make the group buy go through.. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[aagaard]

I couldnt agree more, if we have 4 non-denom chips Im in.

[tri-lam]

This set looks incredible! I wish that I hadn't spent the last few months amassing around 900 Blue Chip Bonds. I just ordered a Paulson sample set from apachepokerchips and if they are as good as advertised, I should be in this group buy for at least 500. I may keep the blue chips for tourneys, but these custom paulsons should make the nicest home cash game set I have ever seen!! (or tourney set for that matter)

Am I the only one who loves that $1 white chip?

[Larry Thompson]

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Am I the only one who loves that $1 white chip?

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No, you're not alone there are lots of us that really like the White $1 chip. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Lumpy]

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Am I the only one who loves that $1 white chip?

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No, you're not alone there are lots of us that really like the White $1 chip. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Those of us that like the better choice for the $1 will not hold it against you. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Fins]

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Am I the only one who loves that $1 white chip?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, you're not alone there are lots of us that really like the White $1 chip. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

[abohlig]

Ten and Others,

You guys are doing a bang up job on the design work.

I know that you are pretty set on getting a retailer involved. This makes sense to try and increase confidence, get more numbers etc. Everyone seems to be pretty sensitive to price also, so I have an idea to try and accomplish both. Why not give EXCLUSIVE rights to a retailer for a time. (say 1yr)

I would think that there must be some retailer out there that would like to add a great looking high end Paulson chip that just does not have the time or the appetite to take on the design work.

If you found the right retailer, they might be willing to assist the group buy for their cost and in return they would get exclusive rights for the next yr. This might keep the cost of getting the retailer involved to a minimum.

Credit card fees are no more than 1% to the retailer. On a 500 chip order this should amount to no more than $.01/chip. I can't imagine that the actual cost to unpack a crate and rebox a set of chips would be more than $10. On a set of 500 chips this would only amount to $.02/chip

$.75/chip to Paulson $.03/chip to the retailer and $.02/chip fudge factor coming to about 80cents per chip.

If you could interest a retailer in this kind of arrangement, I would think that you should have no problem getting your 100,000 chips

AB

[beavis]

**The biggest jump in fees will be the retailer that vends them. They'll need .10 to .20 per chips to make it worth their time and costs.**

I thought TrademarkPoker.com is the retailer/vendor. Am I missing something? When they told me 75 cents per chip, I thought that already included their markup. Isn't it possible that the price per chip from Paulson is around 60 cents and then the markup from Trademark will be another 10 to 15 cents to bring the price per chip to 75 cents? I doubt they would quote a cost that was not already marked up.

[jojobinks]

good question. why isn't trademark our retailer? i understand that the group buy thing has a history with holdempokerchips.com, but is patton an uneccesary middleman?

[TenPercenter]

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I thought TrademarkPoker.com is the retailer/vendor. Am I missing something? When they told me 75 cents per chip, I thought that already included their markup. Isn't it possible that the price per chip from Paulson is around 60 cents and then the markup from Trademark will be another 10 to 15 cents to bring the price per chip to 75 cents? I doubt they would quote a cost that was not already marked up.

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Trademark is the wholesaler, not the retailer at this point. I plan to ask them if they will also vend them but for no real reason at all, I get a feeling that's not going to work out. Gut feeling. I'm definately going to ask them though.

Ten

[zackallen]

If trademark is quoting a price to a customer of .75, then that is thier profited price. I am willing to bet on that. Unless someone at Trademark tells you different, which you may jsut need to ask straight up. A seller is going to give you a price with hsi profit on it already.

[Jaquen H'gar]

Ten,

The retailer's profit should be in selling the remaining chips at $1.25 or 50 cents profit per chip. Isn't this the motivation for a retailer to become involved?

While I can see the credit card fee being passed on, I just don't get the labor charges. Doesn't that come under the nebulous term Shipping &amp; Handling?

I would recommend accumulating the promised orders then taking bids from the various reliable retailers - Holdempokerchips, Acepokerchips, 5stardeal, Apache, Buypokerchips (yeah, an A-hole but low bid is low bid) etc. Explain it to them like this, you break even in the group buy with us then you make a killing in selling the remaining chips. This chip line will likely cripple the sale of JB Home paulson, BPC modern clays, NJ clays, Blue chip home lines, ASM's.

[BreakEven]

Nice job with everything. The combination of denoms with 3 blanks can accommodate any cash/tourney setup. Very nice! BTW, my favorite chip has to be the blue one!

The wholesaler pricing seems good and reasonably well defined.

The retailer pricing is still sketchy. I know you're working on it. The retailer certainly should profit from this sale but his cost of doing business for a large pass through order is different than routine business. Retail businesses have costs like moneys tied up in inventory and space and promotional costs to sell the inventory. These are effectively zip with a large pass-through order like this. The retailer will certainly have credit card fees and labor/material costs to process the order, but their markup on a large pass-through order should be very modest...but still profitable for them.

The question I have is how "custom" is this set going to be. A better term is probably "limited release," "limited edition," or something similar assuming that this chip set doesn't become one of the retailer's stock design offerings. With that said, what will the retailer be allowed to do with these chips after the group buy?

[TenPercenter]

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what will the retailer be allowed to do with these chips after the group buy?

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Just like the last set, It'll probably be for sale for 6-12 months after the group buy at least. I'll know more about it once I get a deal struck with someone.

Ten

[BreakEven]

Wholesalers and retailers serve different purposes. Many companies are structured to work through retailers while others (like Dell computers) are structured to sell direct. Wholesalers who rely on retailers can be sensitive to circumventing their normal distribution channels. On the flip side, retailers who have committed time and money to a wholesaler's product line can get pissed when the wholesaler sells around them to consumers. I operated an industrial supply division for a few years and when one of our manufacturers/vendors sold a large order around us to a customer in our area we simply promoted other product lines harder. Why support a vendor who won't support you was our attitude...especially when we had our money and warehouse space tied up with their products!

Anyway, it would be nice if we can get as few people in the chain as possible but Trademark may not be prepared to handle numerous little transactions associated with this order and all then ensuing post-order customer support related to mis-shipments, off-center labels, etc.

In this case, the retailer may serve an important role which we should appreciate as long as their markup is reasonable. What's reasonable?

100,000 chips at 0.1 per chip markup is $10,000 gross profit. Is this reasonable?

1 full-time person ($35/hour burdened wage rate) spends a week (40 hours) to fill 200 orders which is 25 per day or 3-4 per hour. That's $1,400 and pretty damn conservative IMO.

Lets say 80 additional hours of order support for another $2,800.

Credit card processing - approx 1.5% for phone in orders which is $1,300 assuming a 0.85 chip price. If the retailer types each order into the Internet (unlikely), then credit card processing is about 2.5% or $2,100.

Chip trays $1,000. (saw ten 100 chip acrylic trays for $10 online)

Misc support costs $500 for whatever.

Shipping and handling is usually added to each order to cover mailing and packaging.

Profit/Additional Profit - $3,000

Total Estimated Retailer Cost $10,000 plus shipping which is covered by a 0.10 per chip markup.

So I guess I would be concerned about any retailer wanting more than 0.10 per chip....including trays /images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

[w_gibbs]

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p.s. You know what the best thing about getting into the third page of the thread is? Not having to scroll horizontally anymore because of that huge-ass photo of jojobink's dirty orange chip.

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LOL...I agree.

[mckee27]

Yes, the $500 chip rocks, I really like them all now.

[mckee27]

me too, no problem at all using Paypal via Ten.

[Cin0s3]

Hey 10, I have been trying to keep track of this but haven't noticed whether or not you had gotten confirmation on the concentric circles yet or not. Also is the inlay going to be the size in the image or is it the 7/8" like the JB's?

[Coleman]

What, exactly, is required of the "retailer" in this equation? (I'M a retailer, for Pete's sake!)
Are we merely in need of a warehouse space with a phone, fax, credit card machine and shipping clerk? Or is the retailer going to pay for the full order up front and then resell?
Heck, I live about 25 minutes away from Trademark Poker/5 Star. If you ever have a need for physical inspection at their warehouse, please ask me for any assistance.
BTW, choosing 5 star seems kinda natural here, since it's the same company.

[Johnny5]

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Also is the inlay going to be the size in the image or is it the 7/8" like the JB's?

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FYI - The inlay size on the images posted here is 7/8" just like the JBs.

J5

[mckee27]

What size is the grand inlay? 1" or 1 1/8"?? Is it at all possible to make this inlay a little bigger??

[Johnny5]

Grand inlay is 1 1/16", but this is likely not offered on the Paulson home chips.

Ten is working on the inlay size &amp; shape details.

J5

[House of Payne]

Trademark is a retailer. They sell 12 pages of chips sets to the public. The problem is.. the Egyptians would be STIFF competition for their elementary school designed Trademark Paulson's. BORING! If they helped us and held the rest to sell on their site, they'd be stuck with 100,000 (or 250,000) chips with their design. And 1/7 of those are unsellable white $1 chips. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ten and J5, Great Job! That new blue scarab is sweeeeet! And the Blue Ankh accomplishes exactly what I was looking for in this set. It allows my chip set to handle cash game inflation through the years.

Ten, I'm still in on the buy, at least 1,000 and maybe more, but haven't filled out the promise to pay form yet. I'm waiting for firmer price details and retailer info before commiting to an exact number.

[TenPercenter]

Well said BE. I've been unsuccessful in getting this point acreoss on my own.

Thanks,

Ten


[ QUOTE ]
Wholesalers and retailers serve different purposes. Many companies are structured to work through retailers while others (like Dell computers) are structured to sell direct. Wholesalers who rely on retailers can be sensitive to circumventing their normal distribution channels. On the flip side, retailers who have committed time and money to a wholesaler's product line can get pissed when the wholesaler sells around them to consumers. I operated an industrial supply division for a few years and when one of our manufacturers/vendors sold a large order around us to a customer in our area we simply promoted other product lines harder. Why support a vendor who won't support you was our attitude...especially when we had our money and warehouse space tied up with their products!

Anyway, it would be nice if we can get as few people in the chain as possible but Trademark may not be prepared to handle numerous little transactions associated with this order and all then ensuing post-order customer support related to mis-shipments, off-center labels, etc.

In this case, the retailer may serve an important role which we should appreciate as long as their markup is reasonable. What's reasonable?

100,000 chips at 0.1 per chip markup is $10,000 gross profit. Is this reasonable?

1 full-time person ($35/hour burdened wage rate) spends a week (40 hours) to fill 200 orders which is 25 per day or 3-4 per hour. That's $1,400 and pretty damn conservative IMO.

Lets say 80 additional hours of order support for another $2,800.

Credit card processing - approx 1.5% for phone in orders which is $1,300 assuming a 0.85 chip price. If the retailer types each order into the Internet (unlikely), then credit card processing is about 2.5% or $2,100.

Chip trays $1,000. (saw ten 100 chip acrylic trays for $10 online)

Misc support costs $500 for whatever.

Shipping and handling is usually added to each order to cover mailing and packaging.

Profit/Additional Profit - $3,000

Total Estimated Retailer Cost $10,000 plus shipping which is covered by a 0.10 per chip markup.

So I guess I would be concerned about any retailer wanting more than 0.10 per chip....including trays /images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

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[TenPercenter]

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Hey 10, I have been trying to keep track of this but haven't noticed whether or not you had gotten confirmation on the concentric circles yet or not. Also is the inlay going to be the size in the image or is it the 7/8" like the JB's?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not yet. That's a bonus if we get them. I forwarded a photo to help persuade them.

BTW, thanks for putting the word out C. I saw a post of your over on Side Pot I think it was, right?


Ten

[TenPercenter]

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What, exactly, is required of the "retailer" in this equation? (I'M a retailer, for Pete's sake!)

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So am I for that matter. I'm an established ebay seller, and I've got all the tools necessary to take the credit card sales (via paypal). But what we need is a front-end that is permanant, showing all members peace of mind that they are not giving their money to strangers. An established chip retailer has almost zero chance of "taking the the money" and running, since they have a continuing chip business to run thereafter.


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Heck, I live about 25 minutes away from Trademark Poker/5 Star. If you ever have a need for physical inspection at their warehouse, please ask me for any assistance.

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Thanks man.

Ten

[Leonard]

I am trying to decide between custom Pokerchips.com and these Pharaoh Paulsons. I know several of these questions have been asked, but I would like the latest updates, if possible:

We expect the price to be at or just over .90/chip. Is this correct?

Arrival date should be by the end of June?

When -should we expect to see a final design? -do I need to commit? -to pay?

I don't want to be a pain, but I am new to this board and very new to group buys.

Thanks
Leonard

[TenPercenter]

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I am trying to decide between custom Pokerchips.com and these Pharaoh Paulsons. I know several of these questions have been asked, but I would like the latest updates, if possible:

We expect the price to be at or just over .90/chip. Is this correct?

Arrival date should be by the end of June?

When -should we expect to see a final design? -do I need to commit? -to pay?

I don't want to be a pain, but I am new to this board and very new to group buys.

Thanks
Leonard

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Welcome to the board Leonard. My new estimated price for these chips will be .89 each. Spread the word.

Ten


(no reason. it just looks better)

[BreakEven]

Might be because it's confusing. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Trademark is the wholesaler, not the retailer at this point. I plan to ask them if they will also vend them but for no real reason at all, I get a feeling that's not going to work out. Gut feeling. I'm definately going to ask them though.

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We MUST buy via Trademark. (or a retail vendor and pay more (Dice702). We MUST go through a retail vendor to do the individual purchases.

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[LMilstein]

I just looked at the poll results. It looks like 65 people have claimed that they will in fact purchase some of the Pharaoh's Club Chips.

This is some fuzzy math with some even fuzzier assumptions, but just thought I'd throw in my thoughts:

Let's assume an average purchase is 750 chips, balancing out the 300 chip purchases with the 1500 chip purchases on the conservative side.

750 chips X 65 people = 48,750 chips

So about half-way to our goal, not including obscene orders from people wanting to sell (retailers, Ten, miscellaneous)?

We've still got our work cut out for us, but this seems to be making some progress!

L

[BreakEven]

Good points relative to the "house" design. But if the Pharoah Paulsons are limited to only the group buy or are otherwise only available "while supplies last" after the group buy, then is it really a problem? If I were trademark, I might price this set at a premium (as it should) relative to the house design giving consumers a choice. I guess what I'm saying is that it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing for Trademark and may actually be a positive.

[Johnny5]

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Trademark is a retailer. They sell 12 pages of chips sets to the public.

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I may be missing something, but their site says pretty clearly that they are a wholesaler. I do see the 12 pages of chipsets with retail prices listed, but it seems to be aimed at retailers, as you can't purchase anything online at their site.

Somebody mentioned that they are the same company as 5stardeal - That is their retail arm I suppose?

J5

[Wooderson]

See this web page (http://trademarkpoker.com/about.asp). They're a wholesaler.

[Johnny5]

Ummm... That's the site I was referring to...

J5

[TenPercenter]

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Trademark is a retailer. They sell 12 pages of chips sets to the public.

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Somebody mentioned that they are the same company as 5stardeal - That is their retail arm I suppose?

J5

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That is correct J5. I don't see them selling the Pharaoh's Club chips alongside their own Paulson line though. It['s actually hard for me to see them selling ANY Paulsons on 5stardeal, since it's really the "walmart" of poker chips right now. It doesn't seem to fit their line. (I coould be wrong)

Ten

[Wooderson]

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Ummm... That's the site I was referring to...

J5

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That was for everyone else J5. Just thought I'd put Trademark's words where everyone can get to them.

[C-Dog]

Myabe I am just confused here, but the 1st Post is scrolling Blanks in every color, but the text says there will only 1 blank. Can someone clarify as to whether or not every color will be available without a denomination as well as with one?

C-Dog

[Lumpy]

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Myabe I am just confused here, but the 1st Post is scrolling Blanks in every color, but the text says there will only 1 blank. Can someone clarify as to whether or not every color will be available without a denomination as well as with one?

C-Dog

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Damn, nice catch! Is this true Ten? A whole set w/o denoms? That is awesome if it is true.

[TenPercenter]

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Myabe I am just confused here, but the 1st Post is scrolling Blanks in every color, but the text says there will only 1 blank. Can someone clarify as to whether or not every color will be available without a denomination as well as with one?

C-Dog

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You get the cupie doll. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I wanted to see how it took for someone to catch it (not long).

Yes, I am now going to build a 14 chip set. All seven chips will be offered WITH or WITHOUT denoms. The NCV chips have Egyptian symbols in the place of dollor amounts, so that chips can be mixed and matched while keeping the theme.

I'm pretty stuck on the seven symbols, but I'm open to comments as always.

So please, no more requests for your own, special chip design. I've gotten multiple requests for $10, $1, 50¢, $3, $5000, etc. I cannot add any more chips to this set.

Ten

[SpaceMonkey9]

Awww. You mean we can't have a $7 chip like Jason has? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The red non-denom is my favorite now.

[Cin0s3]

ooh ooh A whole set with no denoms!! Man now I definately have to be in. I think just to round out my JB set a bit, I know the inlays wont match but the chips will be the same and I can use them as a break out set too. So count me in for 400.

[Cin0s3]

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Awww. You mean we can't have a $7 chip like Jason has? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The red non-denom is my favorite now.

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Hey Hey! If you're gonna have a $7 chip I want the $29 and the $88 chip too! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[TenPercenter]

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Awww. You mean we can't have a $7 chip like Jason has? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The red non-denom is my favorite now.

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Hey Hey! If you're gonna have a $7 chip I want the $29 and the $88 chip too! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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I can just do a "prime numbers" set, up to 101?

Ten

[Leonard]

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Yes, I am now going to build a 14 chip set. All seven chips will be offered WITH or WITHOUT denoms.
Ten

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See -- Iron clad proof that if we just badger him enough he will do anything.

Leonard

[Lumpy]

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You get the cupie doll. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I wanted to see how it took for someone to catch it (not long).

Yes, I am now going to build a 14 chip set. All seven chips will be offered WITH or WITHOUT denoms. The NCV chips have Egyptian symbols in the place of dollor amounts, so that chips can be mixed and matched while keeping the theme.

I'm pretty stuck on the seven symbols, but I'm open to comments as always.

So please, no more requests for your own, special chip design. I've gotten multiple requests for $10, $1, 50¢, $3, $5000, etc. I cannot add any more chips to this set.

Ten

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That is fantastic! I think all of the non-denom look great as they are now. I am glad you went that route. Non-denow will probably be my choice.

Now if we can only see the shaped inlay mockups. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[toots]

I was hoping for a fibonacci series of denominations.

[Johnny5]

Two $1 chips!? /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

J5

[Wooderson]

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All seven chips will be offered WITH or WITHOUT denoms.

Ten

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I love you. And they all look phenomenal. I may just have to get a full set of each.

[Fins]

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I'm pretty stuck on the seven symbols, but I'm open to comments as always.

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I don't think the symbol on the $500 chip goes as well with the graphic compared to the other chips. I like the beetle symbol but it stood out to me... this is the only one I'd consider changing.


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I cannot add any more chips to this set.

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Yes, you keep saying that /images/graemlins/grin.gif


- Fins

[Johnny5]

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I love you. And they all look phenomenal. I may just have to get a full set of each.

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Ten, just keep expanding the set slowly, and before they even know what happened, everyone will have ordered 100,000 chips EACH!

J5