Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread

[Wooderson]

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I love you. And they all look phenomenal. I may just have to get a full set of each.

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Ten, just keep expanding the set slowly, and before they even know what happened, everyone will have ordered 100,000 chips EACH!

J5

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You're getting closer and closer to the truth.

[TenPercenter]

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All seven chips will be offered WITH or WITHOUT denoms.

Ten

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I love you.

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Ok Wooderson, now I HAVE heard it all. /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif

ten

[CaptLego]

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Yes, I am now going to build a 14 chip set. All seven chips will be offered WITH or WITHOUT denoms. The NCV chips have Egyptian symbols in the place of dollor amounts, so that chips can be mixed and matched while keeping the theme.

I'm pretty stuck on the seven symbols, but I'm open to comments as always.

Ten

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Ten,
Good to see the non-denom set. A nice set of non-denom clays should attract several additional buyers.

As for the designs, they don't seem to have as good a balance as the denoms. I think the symbols at the bottom need a bit more weight. Maybe a wider line, or maybe changing them to black line would add a bit of weight to them, and balance the chip better.

With the denoms, the denomination has enough weight to it to balance the color graphic on the top, and focus attention at the middle "Pharaoh's". By comparison, the non-denom versions seem a bit light on the bottom. To me, this is most noticeable on the green and black non-denom chips.

[TripKings]

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Now if we can only see the shaped inlay mockups. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Brings to mind what is left:

1. Shaped inlays if possible. I prefer round, and realize I am in the minority - but in all fairness I may like the shapes when/if I see them. Is round or shaped considered more "traditinal/classic"?

2. Concentric circles if possible. I LOVE the concentric circles!!!

3. New mold size - unknown. I prefer the grand with matching inlays, but those standards with concentric cirles on the mockups are sweet.

4. Price yet to be determined. I think that anything under $.95 per chip, deliverd to my door, make this beautiful set the no-brainer of the century.

5. Delivery date. Patience is a virtue. I can wait for the best. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Keep up the GREAT work Johnny5 and Ten. Also, everyone's input is really adding to this set. I'm 95% sure I have myself talked into 2000 of the beauties... 100% on 1000. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

P.S. If this set was a go as-is today(current mock-ups & 14 chips), selling 100,000 would be a cinch.

[TenPercenter]

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Now if we can only see the shaped inlay mockups. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Brings to mind what is left:

1. Shaped inlays if possible. I prefer round, and realize I am in the minority - but in all fairness I may like the shapes when/if I see them. Is round or shaped considered more "traditinal/classic"?

2. Concentric circles if possible. I LOVE the concentric circles!!!

3. New mold size - unknown. I prefer the grand with matching inlays, but those standards with concentric cirles on the mockups are sweet.

4. Price yet to be determined. I think that anything under $.95 per chip, deliverd to my door, make this beautiful set the no-brainer of the century.

5. Delivery date. Patience is a virtue. I can wait for the best. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Keep up the GREAT work Johnny5 and Ten. Also, everyone's input is really adding to this set. I'm 95% sure I have myself talked into 2000 of the beauties... 100% on 1000. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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6. Linen finish on the inlay area.

7. Total art charges (I think it'll be about $1,650) (for that matter, a final quote)

All of thse items are under my constant gaze. I'm still trying to get a lower price than .75 base. I will let you know what I can, when I can.

Ten

[C-Dog]

One more question:

If I fill out the promise to order page, how long are we looking at until we actually have pay for the chips (Roughly)? I would want some time to put the money aside /images/graemlins/smile.gif

C-Dog

[TripKings]

You are the man Ten. I knew I forgot a few. I even forgot about my suggestion of trying to team-up with a retailer or wholesaler to get the order up to 250,000+ in the hopes of lowering the final price even more. Keep up all the hard/great work!!!

[TenPercenter]

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One more question:

If I fill out the promise to order page, how long are we looking at until we actually have pay for the chips (Roughly)? I would want some time to put the money aside /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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best guess right now is "a few weeks." maybe as few as 2-3. its hard to tell with paulson, especially with mold changes and such.

ten

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You need to edit the first posts text now.

[Wooderson]

Ok, now that I've puckered up... I should have saved the love for hearing positive news of shaped inlays. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
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As for the designs, they don't seem to have as good a balance as the denoms. I think the symbols at the bottom need a bit more weight. Maybe a wider line, or maybe changing them to black line would add a bit of weight to them, and balance the chip better.

With the denoms, the denomination has enough weight to it to balance the color graphic on the top, and focus attention at the middle "Pharaoh's". By comparison, the non-denom versions seem a bit light on the bottom. To me, this is most noticeable on the green and black non-denom chips.

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I agree with this on some of the non-denoms. The $5 looks the best I think in terms of weighted balance. Since there is a more horizontal piece at the bottom (the "panther") it adds weight to the bottom that is otherwise there due to a heavy, bolded number. Since not all the non-denom pieces can be horizontal like the piece on the $5-blank perhaps bolding the lines of the non-denom art or even adding a dot to either side of the piece to "frame" it. Say like this:

http://webpages.charter.net/linccampbell/blank.JPG

[bubbafry]

I guess my dream of owning the whole set is over...

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As for the designs, they don't seem to have as good a balance as the denoms. I think the symbols at the bottom need a bit more weight. Maybe a wider line, or maybe changing them to black line would add a bit of weight to them, and balance the chip better.

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Maybe reverse the red and white like on the 1,000,000 symbol. Fill the body of all the symbols in red and make the lines white.

[TenPercenter]

In the couple of hours since I added the "ALL SEVEN" NCV chips, we have gotten 2,500 more in chip pre-orders! Looks like it was a hit. We now have an average of 800 chips per order. (not counting the one that "might" buy 10,000, you know who you are.)

But we need more. We are not quite a third of the way to our goal. I know there are many of you that haven't filled out the pre-order because you are waiting. Balance that with some of the completed orders that might drop out and I think its pretty accurate.

If we can get a retailer on board (working on it) then new exposure will help us reach the 100,000 goal.

In the mean time, everyone please try to get the word spread about this group buy. Every little bit helps.

Here is an easy URL that you can use: http://tinyurl.com/4on7h

Ten

[hunterking]

I'll definitely go the PayPal route if it gives me a significant discount...

Hunter

[Larry Thompson]

Ten,

How set in stone is the amount of chips we have entered on the Promise to Pay form?

If I want to change the total amount of chips I will order, is there a recommended way to do that?

If I submit a new Promise to Pay form will that supersede the original form that I submitted?

Since I want to increase the total number of chips I will order, should I just submit a second Promise to Pay form for the additional chips I want to order?

LT

[hunterking]

so a chip monogrammed with my initials is out of the question?

[TenPercenter]

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Ten,

How set in stone is the amount of chips we have entered on the Promise to Pay form?

If I want to change the total amount of chips I will order, is there a recommended way to do that?

If I submit a new Promise to Pay form will that supersede the original form that I submitted?

Since I want to increase the total number of chips I will order, should I just submit a second Promise to Pay form for the additional chips I want to order?

LT

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it's not set in stone at all, since it's just a pre-order estimation. Just fill it out again, and put in the comments that this REPLACES your previous one.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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so a chip monogrammed with my initials is out of the question?

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Not at all, as long as your initials are GKC. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ten
(GKC)

[hunterking]

lol

[hunterking]

hey Ten,
ever think about starting a poker room?...then maybe Paulson would deal with you directly...they can do some pretty cool customizations:
http://www.gpigaming.com/pdf/US_Chips.pdf

just a thought...
hunter

[Wooderson]

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so a chip monogrammed with my initials is out of the question?

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Not at all, as long as your initials are GKC. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ten
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Is that what the cartouche on the $1 chip says? Not that I'd be surprised.

[BreakEven]

Ten,

I'm not a computer artist or drafting person so maybe you or J5 can explain why Trademark needs $1,650 to do artwork that has been substantially completed already? At $50/hr that would mean someone would spend 33 hours "improving" or "tweaking" artwork which already looks superior to anything they have. Especially considering that trademark may(?) continue to sell the Pharoah Paulsons after the group buy where you and J5 did the artwork and the group paid for the artwork. Considering all that, it sure seems like a lot but there could be a lot more to it than I realize.

I know the per chip cost is nominal but for me that has almost the same impact as my wife pointing out how much she saved when she comes back from the mall. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[aero918]

Ten, I have been comparing the PJB sample chips I have to the Pharoh chip images at the beginning of this thread to get a better perspective of how the graphics will look at their actual size. The screen image diameter is about 1.5 times greater than the PJB chip. Based on this comparison, I am concerned that all that great art work (and detail) will be lost when it is sized to the actual chip.

Is the "Grand" inlay size (or bigger) required just to maintain most of the art detail I am viewing at 1.5 times normal size? How much detail gets lost when the artwork is shrunk and put on a real chip?

Also, I ran across this: www.pharaohscasino.com (http://www.pharaohscasino.com)
Any relation to the chip theme?

I am still in for 650+ /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hunterking]

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I know the per chip cost is nominal but for me that has almost the same impact as my wife pointing out how much she saved when she comes back from the mall. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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lol i know the feeling

[bubbafry]

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Is the "Grand" inlay size (or bigger) required just to maintain most of the art detail I am viewing at 1.5 times normal size? How much detail gets lost when the artwork is shrunk and put on a real chip?

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On my screen, the smaller images at the top of the first post are exactly the same size as the real chips (chip and inlay size match my JB paulsons). I have a widescreen monitor at 1280 x 800 resolution. IMO, they still look really good at actual size.

[Wooderson]

Yeah, on my screen they are the exact same size as my ASM chips. Inlay is as well. Which made me think - should 'Cairo' and 'Club & Casino' be made more ledgible?

[TenPercenter]

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I'm not a computer artist or drafting person so maybe you or J5 can explain why Trademark needs $1,650 to do artwork that has been substantially completed already?

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They are not really charging for "art" per se. Its really a charge for setup. I don't know the exact process, but someone needs to adapt our computer files to their machine to do printing.

Ten

[Leonard]

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Ten, I have been comparing the PJB sample chips I have to the Pharoh chip images at the beginning of this thread to get a better perspective of how the graphics will look at their actual size. The screen image diameter is about 1.5 times greater than the PJB chip. Based on this comparison, I am concerned that all that great art work (and detail) will be lost when it is sized to the actual chip.

Is the "Grand" inlay size (or bigger) required just to maintain most of the art detail I am viewing at 1.5 times normal size? How much detail gets lost when the artwork is shrunk and put on a real chip?

Also, I ran across this: www.pharaohscasino.com (http://www.pharaohscasino.com)
Any relation to the chip theme?

I am still in for 650+ /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Just to satisfy my curiosity, how big is the insert both in terms of printable area (the actual size is 7/8", right) and dpi/pixels?

Leonard

[TenPercenter]

I've asked the forum master to allow me to update just the first post of this thread. It has become so big that newcomers will find it hard to get all the facts without reading 300 posts.

I hope they'll let me edit the main post, just for this special occasion. This is a popular and beneficial service to many many members. It'd be nice if we can direct people to the first post for current data.

Ten

[Cin0s3]

Hey guys I know 10%'er has hit on this a couple of times but I think its real important for more people to start spreading the word about these chips to other forums or online communities that most of us dont know about. I dont think other board Admins would treat it as spam as you are not there trying to sell something but to spread the word. I think the more people we get on board with this the better the chances of some of these ideas becoming reality.

In case anyone missed the url that goes directly to the first post in this thread it is http://www.tinyurl.com/4on7h

[TenPercenter]

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Just to satisfy my curiosity, how big is the insert both in terms of printable area (the actual size is 7/8", right) and dpi/pixels?

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I'm leaving this for J5 when he's around tomorrow.

Ten

[hunterking]

this is a bit off subject, but props to you Ten on your last egyptian set...i just now put 2 and 2 together that that was your set i've been admiring on HoldemPokerChips.com...nice work...
by the way how much were those when you first put them out?

hunter

[TenPercenter]

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this is a bit off subject, but props to you Ten on your last egyptian set...i just now put 2 and 2 together that that was your set i've been admiring on HoldemPokerChips.com...nice work...
by the way how much were those when you first put them out?

hunter

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Thanks man.

The first group buy was .95 each. We had a bit over 7,000 in that buy.

The second group buy was administered by http://HoldemPokerChips.com and you'd have to ask him how many were sold. The price on those was .85 per chip for a week or so, and .89 for the second wave while we waited for the chips to arrive. They are now $1.05 each.

Ten

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Ten,

I'm not a computer artist or drafting person so maybe you or J5 can explain why Trademark needs $1,650 to do artwork that has been substantially completed already?

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They are not really charging for "art" per se. Its really a charge for setup. I don't know the exact process, but someone needs to adapt our computer files to their machine to do printing.

Ten

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I can understand setup fees to fabricate a new mold for chips, but the whole idea of "art/setup" charges for the design seems ridiculous when you have the design done yourself. By setup fees, do they mean converting the photoshop files to illustrator and then hit PRINT on the machine?!? I think people need to realize that the inlay is nothing but color laser print on vinyl (or some form of quality paper).

Just my 2 cents.

[Johnny5]

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Ten, I have been comparing the PJB sample chips I have to the Pharoh chip images at the beginning of this thread to get a better perspective of how the graphics will look at their actual size. The screen image diameter is about 1.5 times greater than the PJB chip. Based on this comparison, I am concerned that all that great art work (and detail) will be lost when it is sized to the actual chip.

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Ok, I'll try to answer this question as clearly as possible. I likely won't succeed, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

Aero - Your concerns are somewhat valid (in terms of the smaller the print area, the less detail you will be able to see), but not for the reasons you mention. You simply can't relate the size of the images on your screen to how detailed they will print.

First, the images you see posted here are proofs & are not the exact files that will be printed. In reality, the actual files are much larger than any you see posted here.

I think the confusion is in regards to screen resolution vs. print resolution, a rather confusing subject.

A pixel has NO specific physical size (ie 0.01 inch), as it is a device dependent unit of measurement. Depending on your individual monitor & display settings, you will see the posted images at different sizes. For instance, those running their display at 600 X 400 (not many these days), will see the chip images much larger than someone running their display at 1024 X 768 (pretty typical). There are more factors, but I think this is technically sufficient to explain the idea.

When printing graphics, decent print quality generally requires between 200 and 600 pixels per inch (ppi) and up. The higher the resolution, the higher the detail & sharpness of the printed image. The term 'dots per inch' (dpi) refers to the printer - not the image.

Note: Dots per inch (dpi) and Pixels per inch (ppi) are often used interchangeably. This isn't exactly correct, but in this case, let’s assume they are the same.

In this example, the small images in the top post are 150 X 150 pixels in size. If you were to print these out at the actual size of the chips (39mm or ~1.54"), they would print at about 98ppi (150/1.54), and the image quality would be fairly poor.
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Just to satisfy my curiosity, how big is the insert both in terms of printable area (the actual size is 7/8", right) and dpi/pixels?

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The standard size inlay we are currently working with is indeed 7/8" in diameter. At this size, the actual images we are working with could print at around 500ppi. If the printer printing them can only print at 300dpi, we have more than enough image detail, and will utilize the maximum abilities of the printer. (Note: Your inkjet printer may say it can print 1200 X 4800dpi or something like that, but this isn't exactly true).

I am not familiar with the printing technology that Paulson uses on their chips, but hopefully it will be around 300dpi which should be sufficient to show enough detail.

So basically, graphical 'on screen' images (like jpg/gif/bmps) should not be referenced in terms of inches, or other physical measurement, they should be measured only in pixels. These pixels can then be set to print to a certain physical size on paper, and the distance between the pixels is adjusted accordingly.

Hopefully I answered a question somewhere in there!

J5

[gr8vertical]

Sorry for my ignorance, but will these be shipped with the clear chip racks per 100 or what.. I have never ordered such nice chips /images/graemlins/blush.gif I dunno what to expect

The only chips I have ever got were the 11.5 gram cheapies /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[ott]

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Sorry for my ignorance, but will these be shipped with the clear chip racks per 100 or what.. I have never ordered such nice chips /images/graemlins/blush.gif I dunno what to expect

The only chips I have ever got were the 11.5 gram cheapies /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I doubt it. It'll most likely be shipped in cardboard boxes holding 100 chips.

[TenPercenter]

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Sorry for my ignorance, but will these be shipped with the clear chip racks per 100 or what.. I have never ordered such nice chips /images/graemlins/blush.gif I dunno what to expect

The only chips I have ever got were the 11.5 gram cheapies /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I doubt it. It'll most likely be shipped in cardboard boxes holding 100 chips.

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Agreed.

Ten

[TripKings]

Ten,

If we go through a vendor - do you think we could we pay for, and have them shipped in, trays? I saw a pic of your Chipco Egyptians all in trays after you got them and figured they would come in trays.

Also, I would share some thoughts that I had last night while fiddling with my Paulson JB samples and a few casino chips that I have. In regards to the "linen-finish" over the inlays: while I think it is a great idea to make any home sets' inlay art-work last many lifetimes - there's a chance that it could really affect the detail of the art work. My Mirage chip has a "low-bumpy" linen feel - which leaves pretty good visible detail, but I have a Flamingo Hilton chip that has a very "high-bumpy" finish that would GREATLY affect the detail of our chosen artwork. On my Paulson samples the inlay itself is really "stuck" on there well and has some kind of coating over the inlay area... one would think that that finish would wear very well under most home game situations for a lifetime. Another give and take situation to think about I guess.

As for the inlay size(that is still unknown): If the inlay is to be 7/8" it seems that having shaped inlays, if possible, would really make our art-work small - shaped inlays look like they would work much better on a grand inlay IMHO(with our chosen art-work).

Concentric circles: I'm not sure the Paulson JB samples would look good with these circles... I'm not sure if there is even room to squeeze them in? However, if the new mold is filled in to match-up with the standard 7/8" inlay space... the concentric circles, like in your current mock-ups, would look incredibly good.

I figure that waiting for sample of "exactly" how these chips will be produced is not desireable for amny here - even if it were possible(I think that's a great idea before I plop down $2000), but is there any chance that we will be able to see a detailed pic of an actual "production model" before purchase? Or at least a mock-up that is designed from an actual trademark chip after their new ones' are produced?

I know alota this may be jumping ahead a little - I just thought I would share some more of my thoughts with you and everyone.

[ott]

That inlays that Paulson makes aren't ever gonna peel off or come off. The inlays pretty much become part of the face of the chip during the manufacturing process.

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/mfgchip.htm

[aero918]

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Hopefully I answered a question somewhere in there!

J5

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You answered it and then some /images/graemlins/smile.gif - Thanks for the reply and the supporting technical discussion. I figured that was the case but its was better to hear your assessment. I just wanted to be sure your art work was going to be fully visible when I show off the chips to friends - Great work!!!

JR

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Ten,
In regards to the "linen-finish" over the inlays: while I think it is a great idea to make any home sets' inlay art-work last many lifetimes - there's a chance that it could really affect the detail of the art work. My Mirage chip has a "low-bumpy" linen feel - which leaves pretty good visible detail, but I have a Flamingo Hilton chip that has a very "high-bumpy" finish that would GREATLY affect the detail of our chosen artwork. On my Paulson samples the inlay itself is really "stuck" on there well and has some kind of coating over the inlay area... one would think that that finish would wear very well under most home game situations for a lifetime. Another give and take situation to think about I guess.


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I think that's a great point - since our images are very detailed, a raised linen finish with cross hatching may affect the way the chips look as it does now on the screen (which would represent open vinyl?).

[Cin0s3]

I dont know if a lot of you have gotten the JB samples lately but the label in the center has a hard plastic finish on it. I took a knife and scraped at it and took a couple strokes before I got to the design in the center, I like the idea of the linen finish somewhat but just dont know how they would achieve that in the current process that they are using. I dont know the process but there are obviosly some plastic layers before teh design.

[Bassman999]

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Ten,

I'm not a computer artist or drafting person so maybe you or J5 can explain why Trademark needs $1,650 to do artwork that has been substantially completed already?

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They are not really charging for "art" per se. Its really a charge for setup. I don't know the exact process, but someone needs to adapt our computer files to their machine to do printing.

Ten

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I can understand setup fees to fabricate a new mold for chips, but the whole idea of "art/setup" charges for the design seems ridiculous when you have the design done yourself. By setup fees, do they mean converting the photoshop files to illustrator and then hit PRINT on the machine?!? I think people need to realize that the inlay is nothing but color laser print on vinyl (or some form of quality paper).

Just my 2 cents.

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I agree. Ten....I think it is important to see just exactly what the artwork fee entails. If it's just a matter of file conversion, I am sure that any number of participants on this board could do the work easily for free, myself included. If they are not willing to negotiate this fee....and their markup....with the guarantee of an exclusive on this excellent chip design, then I am sure that some other wholesaler/retailer would jump at the opportunity.

Keep pursing this matter with them.....and keep up the good work.

Also, FWIW......I am another apparent minority of persons who prefers the traditional circular label design.

Randy

[TenPercenter]

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Ten,

I'm not a computer artist or drafting person so maybe you or J5 can explain why Trademark needs $1,650 to do artwork that has been substantially completed already?

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They are not really charging for "art" per se. Its really a charge for setup. I don't know the exact process, but someone needs to adapt our computer files to their machine to do printing.

Ten

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I can understand setup fees to fabricate a new mold for chips, but the whole idea of "art/setup" charges for the design seems ridiculous when you have the design done yourself. By setup fees, do they mean converting the photoshop files to illustrator and then hit PRINT on the machine?!? I think people need to realize that the inlay is nothing but color laser print on vinyl (or some form of quality paper).

Just my 2 cents.

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I agree. Ten....I think it is important to see just exactly what the artwork fee entails. If it's just a matter of file conversion, I am sure that any number of participants on this board could do the work easily for free, myself included. If they are not willing to negotiate this fee....and their markup....with the guarantee of an exclusive on this excellent chip design, then I am sure that some other wholesaler/retailer would jump at the opportunity.

Keep pursing this matter with them.....and keep up the good work.

Also, FWIW......I am another apparent minority of persons who prefers the traditional circular label design.

Randy

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The setup fees are not charged by Trademark, they are from Paulson directly. It's normal and expected, same with all chip manufactures. These setup charges are not extravagant; I've been quoted similar prices from many manufacturers, and actually been charged twice personally by Chipco.

There will be little chance in negotiating the setup fees. We can't have "one of us" do the conversion, because it's done by whoever feeds the printer (or lithograph, or whatver they use) at Paulson. If it could be done by one of us, then J5 would just do it, he's completely capable.

It'd be great to get a reduction in setup fees, and I will ask about it, but don't get your hopes up. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ten

[breakbeat46]

having printed flyers, posters, cd covers locally.

In terms of art setup... When you have anything printed for you at a print house, they always charge a 'setup' fee. what exactly that entails i dont know and it depends on the type of priter they output on BUT no matter what media type you give your art work in, there is always a 'setup' fee. So if their 'setup fee' is only a convertion files into the format they want, they still charge setup fees. even if anyone of us here with photoshop etc can do it.

[Medisin]

So I finally got some samples home today, it took a while but really what can I expect living in Sweden??.. However the feel is fantastic and I love the edge spots. These chips are so much better when they're in your hand than on pictures. Just wish that shipping wouldn't be so damn expensive, and on top of that I have to pay tax to get them into the country.. that sucks! However if 10% want to do the paypal trick they could be sent as a gift from him and therefore I wouldn't have to pay ekstra money to get the chips home =) In that case I'm almost certain I'll be in for at least 500.

[Medisin]

I can see how these chips get really filthy after playing around with them.. Think a good idea would be to command everyone who wants in on a home game to wash their hands before playing /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[KeysrSoze]

For whoever was wondering whether the edge-spots go all the way through the chip, heres your answer:

http://webpages.charter.net/fredaskp/IMG_0045.JPG

I received my Paulson James Bond sampler from Apache yesterday, and this chip broke during shipping. Both primary and spot colors aren't merely dyed on but are integrated into the clay, so scrub away.

[varoadstter]

Ten,

I know the form is non-binding but I am curious how well the promise to pay numbets are coming along. I added a plug for your design over at my blog (http://hdarby.brinkster.net/2005/03/enjoy-finer-things.html). Hopefully, that can bring in a few more interested parties.

Keep up the good work.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten,

I know the form is non-binding but I am curious how well the promise to pay numbets are coming along. I added a plug for your design over at my blog (http://hdarby.brinkster.net/2005/03/enjoy-finer-things.html). Hopefully, that can bring in a few more interested parties.

Keep up the good work.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for the link V. Our numbers are at about 30,000 right now.

Ten

[zackallen]

I am also 100% for the round inlay.

[toots]

Just one more comment on the chips getting dirty:

I've managed to accumulate about 3000 original H&C Paulsons, and most of those were in new-mint condition.

When one of these things is new, it has a chalky feel, and sheds a lot of "chip dust" for lack of better term. Shuffle them, and the dust from one chip gets on another, making it "dirty."

The thing is, the longer you wear these chips in, the less dust they shed. In fact, they also lose the dust they've picked up from other chips. Overall, the longer you use them, the less of an issue this becomes.

[X-Files]

Any luck on getting the mods approval to let you edit the first page?

[multifast1]

Ten-

One suggestion on the "Intent to Buy" form... How about a second form or an option on the main form for "Hoping to buy"... or something similar. I'm about 80% sure right now but don't want to commit 100% yet. I'm sure there's MANY others in a similar boat. This might get you a better idea of the overall interest even if you only assume a 25-50% take rate from the chip numbers of "hoping to buy".

~Jeff

[Medisin]

I'm in the same boat as multifast, not 100% sure yet.

[PokerChamp22]

As am I. I'm pretty sure I will be down for 400 or so though, maybe more.

Quick comments:

Love the denominated chips, they look great. Awesoome job Ten and Johnny.

The nondenoms look good, but it seems to me the green and black chips don't look quite right with those symbols. I would be buying the denoms, so it isn't a huge deal to me, just wondering if anyone else felt the same.

Again, awesome job with the chips.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Any luck on getting the mods approval to let you edit the first page?

[/ QUOTE ]

None. In fact, Mason Malmuth immediately answered and questioned whether this thread should be allowed at all, (he hadn't read the thread yet). My you-know-what puckered up at that message, but then Sklansky answered afterwards and said that there was no way to make one post editable, but didn't have a problem with the thread.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten-

One suggestion on the "Intent to Buy" form... How about a second form or an option on the main form for "Hoping to buy"... or something similar. I'm about 80% sure right now but don't want to commit 100% yet. I'm sure there's MANY others in a similar boat. This might get you a better idea of the overall interest even if you only assume a 25-50% take rate from the chip numbers of "hoping to buy".

~Jeff

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not so sure that would be a good idea. I wanted to get an ACCURATE count, that's why the form is so seriuous sounding.

What I'd really like to do is the whole thing in ACTUAL play. I want to let people start placing orders, but Trademark is not repsonding quickly enough for my tastes. It may be Paulson's fault, but this week has been slow in the "repsond to me emails/message? department.

TRADEMARK ON PHONE NOW...

Ten

[TenPercenter]

Bottom line: Trademark was are very busy this week with tradeshows. The owner is out, but gives my guy updates when he talks to Paulson.

In general Paulson is being very, how would you say, inflexible. They don't even want to do 100k orders at all, they wanted to require 250,000k minimum. TM convinced them.

New confirmed info:

- No shaped inlays for home sets. We are allowed round only, standard size.
- Price is .75 base (don't forget other various fees). For .73 we need to buy 250,000 in ONE ORDER. TM says that Paulson has also raised the price on them.
- They are still confirming art charges.

Not much else. I was told there will be no other updates until next Tuesday.

Ten

[jojobinks]

[ QUOTE ]
In general Paulson is being very, how would you say, inflexible. They don't even want to do 100k orders at all, they wanted to require 250,000k minimum. TM convinced them.

New confirmed info:

- No shaped inlays for home sets. We are allowed round only, standard size.
- Price is .75 base (don't forget other various fees). For .73 we need to buy 250,000 in ONE ORDER. TM says that Paulson has also raised the price on them.
- They are still confirming art charges.

[/ QUOTE ]

what's the good news? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[morglum_s]

I'm a roundie too /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[toots]

I got no problem with round inlays.

I got no problem with shaped inlays.

I got no problem with any of the incarnations of the mold. Ok, I have a little problem with the JB mold, but it ain't big enough to stop me from buying.

I got no problem with what color what chip is.

I do got a problem that there aren't enough buyers yet.

C'mon people! Dig deep. Order a crapperload! I want this thing off the ground!

[zackallen]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

- No shaped inlays for home sets. We are allowed round only, standard size.

[/ QUOTE ]

what's the good news? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

The round inlays!

[Coleman]

All that's left to be revealed is the appearance of the new mold, specifically with regard to the concentric circles.
I'm going to bump up my quantity on the promise to buy form.

[Lumpy]

[ QUOTE ]
Bottom line: Trademark was are very busy this week with tradeshows. The owner is out, but gives my guy updates when he talks to Paulson.

In general Paulson is being very, how would you say, inflexible. They don't even want to do 100k orders at all, they wanted to require 250,000k minimum. TM convinced them.

New confirmed info:

- No shaped inlays for home sets. We are allowed round only, standard size.
- Price is .75 base (don't forget other various fees). For .73 we need to buy 250,000 in ONE ORDER. TM says that Paulson has also raised the price on them.
- They are still confirming art charges.

Not much else. I was told there will be no other updates until next Tuesday.

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

The attitudes of large companies never ceases to amaze me. Why did they bother getting back in the home market if they are so pissy about it.

There must be someone on this forum with some Native American heritage. Open a casino in your backyard and we could probably order 40,000 chips from Paulson and get them done with any option we wanted. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SpaceMonkey9]

[ QUOTE ]
Bottom line: Trademark was are very busy this week with tradeshows. The owner is out, but gives my guy updates when he talks to Paulson.

In general Paulson is being very, how would you say, inflexible. They don't even want to do 100k orders at all, they wanted to require 250,000k minimum. TM convinced them.

New confirmed info:

- No shaped inlays for home sets. We are allowed round only, standard size.
- Price is .75 base (don't forget other various fees). For .73 we need to buy 250,000 in ONE ORDER. TM says that Paulson has also raised the price on them.
- They are still confirming art charges.

Not much else. I was told there will be no other updates until next Tuesday.

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

So why was it that you stopped pursuing Matsui for this order?

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
I do got a problem that there aren't enough buyers yet.

C'mon people! Dig deep. Order a crapperload! I want this thing off the ground!

[/ QUOTE ]

The good news on orders is there are some buyers talking to me in email (and on this board) that aren't placing their pre-order until they're sure about everything. I feel that the orders will increase 50% once we are final with a solid quote and mockups.

Once we add a retailer into the mix, their website exposure will helpa a great deal.

I see no problem with this hitting 100,000 once we actually take orders.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
So why was it that you stopped pursuing Matsui for this order?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because the name is wrong. This is the Pharaoh's Club Paulson Group Buy. It would look funny if we bought Matsui chips...

Ten


p.s. JK. It's because I dont think we'd get the same support without getting Paulson chips. Matsui has the best price at 50,000, but I think it'd be harder to do that than to get 100,000 Paulsons sold.

[SpaceMonkey9]

[ QUOTE ]

p.s. JK. It's because I dont think we'd get the same support without getting Paulson chips. Matsui has the best price at 50,000, but I think it'd be harder to do that than to get 100,000 Paulsons sold.



[/ QUOTE ]

That's hard to imagine, with a product(Matsui) at least as good, with a custom mold, custom colors, and probably? shaped inlays... that would make the ultimate fantasy clay set.

Well, maybe not hard to imagine that interest would be lower, but a little disappointing. At least for me.

EDIT: Good point on the name though, what was I thinking? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[toots]

Well, there are some of us who will buy Paulson, but not Matsui.

I mean if this doesn't pan out, I'll probably just end up ordering a batch of the JB chips, or maybe nothing at all.

[aero918]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, there are some of us who will buy Paulson, but not Matsui.

[/ QUOTE ]


I understand your position, but I am all for getting the chips the way we want them: mold, inlays, colors, cost, etc. If Paulson doesnt want to do it then I vote for opening discussions with Matsui (or another quality vendor). A little competition never hurts especially if the quality is the same. I'd rather have the chip set we really wanted from another manufacturer instead of spending the next year talking about the "Paulson" set we have that almost had what we wanted. Especially if there are so many concessions.

I am in this buy for a really good quality clay chip set that has great art designed around a theme I like. Ten sold me with his prior work on the Chipco Egyptians. The Paulson name never comes up during the biweekly tournaments we play.

I would like to see another poll of Paulson vs Matsui (or other) from the people that have already committed to order and one for everyone else. The poll would need to be based on Paulson providing product A with less than we want and Matsui providing product B with everthing we wanted.

[Lumpy]

[ QUOTE ]


I would like to see another poll of Paulson vs Matsui (or other) from the people that have already committed to order and one for everyone else. The poll would need to be based on Paulson providing product A with less than we want and Matsui providing product B with everthing we wanted.

[/ QUOTE ]

The problem with "everything we want" is different for everyone. As much as I would have loved shaped inlays there are others that did not want them. Paulson limiting the options really works to Ten's advantage. Give everyone unlimited choices and it will disolve into chaos and never happen.

[jojobinks]

first of all, this is not a democracy, it's a cheer-ocracy. and polls, as seen in the past, are for information gathering purposes, and not really for voting. face it, guys, ten's the man, and we're just buying sweet chips that he created. oh yah, and we get some input.

that being said, the premise of this buy was:
-fantasy set
-classic vegas casino style
-paulson
-shapped inlays

we're getting 3 out of 4 of those foundation points. i've both JB and matsui clay samples, and i've been playing around with them for weeks. matsui is nice, but it's no contest.

there's a reason why paulson can be inflexible; they're the best. by a longshot. and i'm happy that i'm gonna be getting me some.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]


That's hard to imagine, with a product(Matsui) at least as good, with a custom mold, custom colors, and probably? shaped inlays... that would make the ultimate fantasy clay set.



[/ QUOTE ]

I'm half-way with you man. I honestly LOVE Matsui clay chips. But I've yet to hold an inlay chip in my hand, and even Matsui was not too confident in them until a few weeks ago.

But this buy is ALL about Paulson. The Cadillac of chips.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, there are some of us who will buy Paulson, but not Matsui.

I mean if this doesn't pan out, I'll probably just end up ordering a batch of the JB chips, or maybe nothing at all.

[/ QUOTE ]

BITE YOUR TONGUE! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I have 100% faith in it happening. Not a single doubt.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Well, there are some of us who will buy Paulson, but not Matsui.

[/ QUOTE ]

If Paulson doesnt want to do it then I vote for opening discussions with Matsui (or another quality vendor). A little competition never hurts especially if the quality is the same.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, let's not open another can of "Blue $1 Worms" ok? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Seriously, this group buy is Paulson, period. It's why I started it, and it would fall aprt if we suddenly changed it. And trust me, "competition" for Paulson won't matter a hill of beans. Paulson would be happy to be rid of me. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I was told just today that Trademark had to BEG Paulson to allow single orders of less than 250,000, so Matsui would be a relief to Paulson.

Ten

[aero918]

I have read other posts with the same message, so if Ten communicates that he doesnt feel like he is making major consessions than I agree with you. If I remember right, most of the wants: different inlays, concentric circles, colors, graphics, etc., originated from Ten or J5. Most of us have just provided feedback on what we do and dont like when given a choice. If Ten says he would rather have the Paulson name vs the other things he gives up, then thats the decision. On the other hand, if doesnt want to give up the other choices then I am in favor of testing the waters with another manufacturer. Either way I am still in /images/graemlins/smile.gif!!!

Ten, what is the "must" have list of chip features for you to stay with Paulson? Are ther any that havent been accepted by Paulson?

[toots]

Ok, I bit it, and now I'm bleeding all over everything.

You want me to put my kilobuck in escrow? I'm with ya.

I really want this thing to happen.

[Cin0s3]

I have some Matsui clays and I have Paulsons as well and I think Paulsons are hands down better than the Matsui's. The matsui's are nice but just PP for me.

[aero918]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok, let's not open another can of "Blue $1 Worms" ok? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

So...are you saying there is a $1 chip with blue egyptian worms on it? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[duma]

can u change the $1000 orange non denom logo to somethng like this? thx.
http://home.comcast.net/~wam929/chips/walking.jpg

[Accident]

[ QUOTE ]
can u change the $1000 orange non denom logo to somethng like this? thx.
http://home.comcast.net/~wam929/chips/walking.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
OH< YES! and put around the perimeter "Walk Like an Egyptian!"
I'm all in.
Accident /images/graemlins/club.gif
PS, used my wiz bang Egyptian Chipcos to fleeze the boyz outta $80. My chips continue to pay dividends.

[jojobinks]

dude: when do we get our chips? are they even shipped yet?

/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Lumpy]

[ QUOTE ]

PS, used my wiz bang Egyptian Chipcos to fleeze the boyz outta $80. My chips continue to pay dividends.

[/ QUOTE ]

Only $80. I used my "Suits" to get $110 this week. So I guess this means suits > egyptians. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif Now if I could only get jonny5's purple horseshoe on an octagon...

(No offense Ten. ) /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[smoore]

boo on round inlays, big YAY on non-denom. I'll probably have to buy a set just for that. The shaped inlays were what drew me to this originally but the prospect of having a set of non-denom PAULSON'S is too good to pass up.

I have a (very physical) job now so I can't post 20 times a day anymore. I'm sure you guys miss me. </sarcasm>

[Wooderson]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
can u change the $1000 orange non denom logo to somethng like this? thx.
http://home.comcast.net/~wam929/chips/walking.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
OH< YES! and put around the perimeter "Walk Like an Egyptian!"


[/ QUOTE ]

How about, "Born in Babylonia. Moved to Arizona. King Tut."

[wabe]

I'm waiting for my sample of Paulson JB chips before I commit to this buy. I will make a decision after I play with them for a while.

In case you're not tired of hearing it, TP, thank you for your work in getting something like this done. With the amount of people you're involving, getting a consensus is tough, so good job in hammering it out.

[mckee27]

Ten or whoever: I just purchased 565 egyptians (350 black/150 tan/40 orange/25 plaques) for playing tournaments.....very nice chips. I am looking for a CASE to house these wonderful chips, any suggestions?? The tough part is going be finding a case that houses the plaques as well.
Thanks.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Ten or whoever: I just purchased 565 egyptians (350 black/150 tan/40 orange/25 plaques) for playing tournaments.....very nice chips. I am looking for a CASE to house these wonderful chips, any suggestions?? The tough part is going be finding a case that houses the plaques as well.
Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not for travel, but I recommend this one for home use. Beautiful case, I have three myself.

http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=case101&cat=13

Ten

[Accident]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
can u change the $1000 orange non denom logo to somethng like this? thx.
http://home.comcast.net/~wam929/chips/walking.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
OH< YES! and put around the perimeter "Walk Like an Egyptian!"


[/ QUOTE ]

How about, "Born in Babylonia. Moved to Arizona. King Tut."

[/ QUOTE ]
Very nice! I had the original album on 8-Track!!
"got a condo made of stona, King Tut!"

[E Hanhan]

People need to stop saying what they want and what they hate.

The design is done. If you want to spend all this time worknig on something for strangers, go ahead. 10 has put alot of time and effort into this and all I seem to see is people wanting him to fail, wanting everything changed, asking "why isn't this the way I want"

Get over it. We have people, we cannot keep changing stuff. We already have all 7 chips with or without denoms, what the hell else can you ask for?

We need to stop arguing over stupid minute details that dont matter and start making sure that we have the orders so we can get this show on the road!

[jojobinks]

[ QUOTE ]
People need to stop saying what they want and what they hate.

[/ QUOTE ]

relax, dood. it's been three days since the matsui/paulson discussion and there hasn't been one complaint in that time. that's probably a pharaoh's club record!

[Lumpy]

I demand the following:

Blue $1 chip
shaped inlays
triple edge spots on at least 2 chips
Ten rubbing mineral oil each individual chip before shipping

If that does not happen then I will definitely not order a sample set!!

[TenPercenter]

I got a triple confirmation on this today:

Paulson will allow only 7 chips per 100,000 order.

Adter getting the news last week, I sent two long, well written pleas to the prez of Trademark. They went to the mat with Paulson for me. Paulson said no again today. The only way to get more than 7 is to order 200,000 chips at once.

So, scratch all current plans for non-denom chips. There will be seven chips in the set.

Ten

[toots]

That company (Paulson) is definitely suffering badly from "We're a big company and can't afford to do business" syndrome.

What a bummer.

My promise is still good. I s'pose if anything, it simplifies my order, but it's still a bummer.

[TripKings]

Keep your head up Ten. Just keep plugging away, finalize the best Paulson set you can muster... and see how it all shakes out when it's time to order. I greatly appreciate your efforts - whether I buy the final product or not. I still love the set and will very likely buy.

Keep us posted.

[FastFrank]

Ten, just to let you know, I'm still planning on buying. I'm trying to get everyone I know to buy as well. I haven't filled out the promise form. I want to see some final proofs first, but that's only to help me decide if I should order 500 or 1000. Keep up the good work!

[aagaard]

Thats a bummer, unfortunatley that will take me out of the running. Thanks for all your hard work and I hope you get enough orders.

[Lumpy]

[ QUOTE ]
I got a triple confirmation on this today:

Paulson will allow only 7 chips per 100,000 order.

Adter getting the news last week, I sent two long, well written pleas to the prez of Trademark. They went to the mat with Paulson for me. Paulson said no again today. The only way to get more than 7 is to order 200,000 chips at once.

So, scratch all current plans for non-denom chips. There will be seven chips in the set.

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

Boooo!! They suck! The blue is one of my favorites, but I have zero use for a .25 chip. Damn, I was going to get blue, white, red, and green in non-denom and get 50/50 non/denom on the other 3.

[TenPercenter]

This thread has grown beyond what any perosn can read walking into the process. This is really cool in a way, but people are starting to email me questions all the time about stuff that should be on the main post.

Since 2+2 doesn't have a way to allow edits for one post, I'm moving all "official" discussions and annnouncements to the "Chip Talk" board. I'll have control over the main post there.

Please, feel free to keep the discussion going here too. I frequent many forums, why not add one more? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

New Pharaoh's Club Discussion forum: http://www.lightningsolutions.net/chiptalk/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=20

Easy to copy/paste URL: http://tinyurl.com/4bc84

When the time comes to take REAL ORDERS, those URL's will be the palce to make the orders, so be ready. There will only be 7-10 days to make your real order.

Thanks,

Ten

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Any luck on getting the mods approval to let you edit the first page?

[/ QUOTE ]

None. In fact, Mason Malmuth immediately answered and questioned whether this thread should be allowed at all, (he hadn't read the thread yet). My you-know-what puckered up at that message, but then Sklansky answered afterwards and said that there was no way to make one post editable, but didn't have a problem with the thread.

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

[bubbafry]

[ QUOTE ]
So, scratch all current plans for non-denom chips. There will be seven chips in the set.

[/ QUOTE ]

Originally you were going to have 1 blank and skip either the 25c chip or $1000 chip, we still going that direction?

[TenPercenter]

I've got a new poll running at the Chip Talk forum asking about it.

Ten

[smoore]

Paulson definitely has 900lb gorilla syndrome. Bastards.

Of course I'm sure most people are "happy" using windows so I guess it works.

If I wasn't convinced that the current poker craze was a fad I'd get investors for a factory and labor and make WHATEVER kind of chips people want. Sure they may be expensive but I'd do whatever a customer with the money wanted.

Bastards.

[vai777]

you would at least think they could give us info on the new mold.
I mean its not like there drawing up blueprints for the next Hubble telescope.

Its a Friggin poker chip

[Accident]

[ QUOTE ]
People need to stop saying what they want and what they hate.

The design is done. If you want to spend all this time worknig on something for strangers, go ahead. 10 has put alot of time and effort into this and all I seem to see is people wanting him to fail, wanting everything changed, asking "why isn't this the way I want"

Get over it. We have people, we cannot keep changing stuff. We already have all 7 chips with or without denoms, what the hell else can you ask for?

We need to stop arguing over stupid minute details that dont matter and start making sure that we have the orders so we can get this show on the road!

[/ QUOTE ]
What I want is MORE COWBELL!
A /images/graemlins/club.gif

[TenPercenter]

http://tinyurl.com/4bc84

Updates made. Short version: Only 7 chips allowed, so we're making the blue NCV. No shaped inlays allowed, standard round only. Submitting art for approval.

Ten

[toots]

[ QUOTE ]
What I want is MORE COWBELL!
A /images/graemlins/club.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Best suggestion anyone's made so far.

[TenPercenter]

The specs from Paulson have arrived! We are converting files to their required format and tweaking some elements that they suggested to look better based on their printers. Once we are ready to send final graphics, we'll update the images on the main post (on the Chip Talk forums) to show any changes (not much at all, if anything).

After we get approved graphics and proofs, we'll update the Chip Talk post and give instructions for ordering!

Ten

[TenPercenter]

I'm hoping that the group buy order period can start next week or so. Barring any problems with our art files, we should get proofs soon. Once we have proofs, I can open up the orders.

If you have placed a pre-order then you will get an email warning just before the goup buy.

The group buy period will be short! It will last only 7-10 days, so you have to be ready if you want the rock-bottom price. if you have not placed a pre-order, I would do so now. This way you will get an email remoninder in case you can't visit the Chip Talk forum..


Click here to complete the Pre-Order form (http://lightningsolutions.net/pharaohsclub.html)



Always click here for Up-to-date order information and discussion... (http://www.lightningsolutions.net/chiptalk/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=20)


Ten.

[Lottery Larry]

I would suggest posting a separate message as well, to alert everyone when it's open and about to end.

Also, is it a religious mission for you to spread ancient Egyptian chips across the land? Are you a Ra worshipper or something?

Nice chips. I'll be interested in your comparison of playing with these, vs. your Chipcos, once you get them.

Good luck, Ten- not that you need it, you have it down cold by now.

[TenPercenter]

I got the following PM from a user:

[ QUOTE ]
Greg, I hope you do not care, if you do let me know. I frequent another board and noticed someone's avatar was the new 100 chip from the Paulson group buy, i talked to him and he said he was gettin in on the deal too. I made a post on that board
about your chips trying to get some more people, is that ok?

[/ QUOTE ]

This is great news, but I think more of us need to be talking about this buy. We are at about 65,000 chips right now, and I think we have about a week left to do it.

Please everyone tell who you know. My Mom even told her cable guy! /images/graemlins/smile.gif Tell everyone, and mention it on your favorite forums. Don't break any rules, but spread the word. We're almost there!

Here's the link to post for up-to-date info on the order: http://tinyurl.com/6mu4p

[jojobinks]

eh, what the hell, put me down for 35,000. i'll get a loan. it's worth it, for the team. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[TenPercenter]

Done. So now our new goal is 200,000, so that we can order non-denoms of ALL the chips again. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ten

[Lumpy]

[ QUOTE ]
Done. So now our new goal is 200,000, so that we can order non-denoms of ALL the chips again. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ten

[/ QUOTE ]

Judging from the pics of Mr. Meaner's poker room I think he can make up the other 100,000.

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
I got the following PM from a user:

[ QUOTE ]
Greg, I hope you do not care, if you do let me know. I frequent another board and noticed someone's avatar was the new 100 chip from the Paulson group buy, i talked to him and he said he was gettin in on the deal too. I made a post on that board
about your chips trying to get some more people, is that ok?

[/ QUOTE ]

This is great news, but I think more of us need to be talking about this buy. We are at about 65,000 chips right now, and I think we have about a week left to do it.

Please everyone tell who you know. My Mom even told her cable guy! /images/graemlins/smile.gif Tell everyone, and mention it on your favorite forums. Don't break any rules, but spread the word. We're almost there!

Here's the link to post for up-to-date info on the order: http://tinyurl.com/6mu4p

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67,291 is the count now. I have replied to every order and they are all legit except one guy calleed "elevenpercenter" with email address gree5555@mail.com. (This guy happened to be a prankster from ChipTalk.net) All the rest have taken it very seriously.

Ten

[hunterking]

hey ten, is there something wrong with chiptalk?

[smoore]

chex ur emailz

he just sent a "database moving" notice earlier. should be back later this evening

[hunterking]

[ QUOTE ]
chex ur emailz

he just sent a "database moving" notice earlier. should be back later this evening

[/ QUOTE ]


cool, thanks smoore

[ROCKWHACK]

Hey ten , just checking , but I filled out the promise to pay form about 3 weeks ago and I haven't seen a reply from you , if I'm not on the list you can count on me for 1000 chips for sure.Let me know if I have to re-submit the promise form

I'm jones'n for these chips

[TenPercenter]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey ten , just checking , but I filled out the promise to pay form about 3 weeks ago and I haven't seen a reply from you , if I'm not on the list you can count on me for 1000 chips for sure.Let me know if I have to re-submit the promise form

I'm jones'n for these chips

[/ QUOTE ]

PM me your real name and I'll make sure.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

For those of you that are having trouble finding the URL since we moved ChipTalk from LightningSOlutions, the group buy update thread is here:

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20

[pager23]

Not much action on either thread lately... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I love these chips and can't wait to order my set, but I'm concerned that there's been no news lately. Are we waiting for proofs right now? vendor? more commitments?

[jojobinks]

go to chiptalk (http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/portal.php) for all up to date information

[TenPercenter]

A ChipTalk member did a great 3D rendering of the chips in play. See more angles at the ChipTalk official thread (http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20).

http://www.chiptalk.net/images/PC-renders/pharaohs1.jpg


Ten

[jimymat]

hey ten whats the big deal about these chips? I dont get it. Thanks

[PinataUT]

a. price
b. design (a matter of taste)
c. 'custom' Paulsons (a novelty anymore)

Not that much too any chip or chips really...

(Need to order 100k to make it worthwhile - that's one little tricky bit...)

[TheMatador]

for all in this group buy a question?

i am looking at purchasing 500 chips from the group buy and trying to nail down what colors and amounts of each to get.

here is my senario:

i usually play tournaments from 7 to 10 people and we usually start with blinds of 50/100..

i also like to play the home games, but we only use .25 chips there as we play all the old time games with dealer choice: 7 card stud, follow the queen, baseball and other cheesy games when we get tired of playing tournaments.

now we are used to using different colored chips, so possibly use any color for the home game and not just the green 25.

my gut says i should get:
200 green 25 ( i like this chip more then the blue non denom)
200 black 100
75 purple 500
25 orange 1000

but i am open to your suggestions as you guys have more experience than i do.

also, i am wondering if i decide at a later time to increase the amount of chips in my group, how would i do this? with this group buy i don't see being able to replace broken chips or increase the amounts if i were to need more of one color.

[toots]

1) Buy more chips in your initial order.

You can't ever have too many chips. Well, maybe you can, but once you get hooked on wildly expensive Paulsons, you'll come around

2) The thinking is that if necessary, you could always supplement from the Apache JBs or generic Trademarks. But yeah, I worry about this one, too.

[Schmag]

I was just wondering how I could get hooked up with a sample of those chips.

[spicychili]

There are no samples. These are pre-production. If you want samples you need to get some of the other James Bond Paulsons samples which will be the same chip but with a different image.

Edit: Here is the link for trademark (http://www.trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp)

and a link for apache (http://www.apachepokerchips.com/) where you can get some samples.

[TenPercenter]

The group buy is open!

<font color="red"> 87¢ !!! </font>

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/PharaohOrders.php


Discussions still ongoing here: http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20


Ten

[toots]

Wow.

He really put together a metric butt ton of orders...

[Paradigm]

ahhhh man, i want in SO badly, but don't have the roll/cash for that. damn micro limits!

[MarkSummers]

how much does anyone think a set of 300,400, 500 will go for on ebay?

[TwinTowers]

The only way I can seek this one past the boss is the re-sale value of these chips if thing ever went sideways for us.

I cant imagine not getting a dollar a chip for these in the next year or so. If chip prices tumbled, I still dont think these Paulsons would dip much below what the current pre-order price is.

A 500 chip set should be able to be sold on the bay for $500 later in the year. Any other ideas??

[MarkSummers]

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The only way I can seek this one past the boss is the re-sale value of these chips if thing ever went sideways for us.

I cant imagine not getting a dollar a chip for these in the next year or so. If chip prices tumbled, I still dont think these Paulsons would dip much below what the current pre-order price is.

A 500 chip set should be able to be sold on the bay for $500 later in the year. Any other ideas??

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not quite sure I understand the beginning of that. Are you even allowed to resell these chips? I would think that would be allowed, just seems kinda like a scam to buy at a lower price and resell for higher.

I do want a set of these chips but if i could make a few extra bucks by selling a few sets on ebay, I would love to do that.

[TomHimself]

ofcourse you can sell them lmao

[edge]

I'm quite interested, but how does shipping to Canada work for this? I didn't see the issue resolved in the chiptalk thread that I just glanced over.

[jojobinks]

pm ten is what i recommend; my understanding is that he's told people he'd do it. for the 87cent price, you're paying him to ship to you personally; so there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to. of course, you'd be paying the fees...

[TenPercenter]

ANNOUNCEMENT! (or, "blue vs. white solved")

HoldemPokerChips.com has stepped up to help the group buy, and is offering to vend the NCV (non denomination) set of the Pharaoh’s Club Paulson chips! That means that there are now 14 total designs, 7 with denominations and 7 without. You are free to choose any combination of any 14 designs and purchase them during the group buy!

HPC.com’s Pharaoh’s Club NCV order page: http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PhaNDPre&amp;cat=36

- Chips (any of the 14) can be bought during the group buy period for 87¢ each
- Chips must be purchased in 25 minimum per design
- Purchase for denominated chips can be made both at ChipTalk.net and at HoldemPokerChips.com
- Purchase of the NCV chips can only be made at HoldemPokerChips.com
- Deadline for group purchases is May 14th, but we urge you to purchase NOW so that we avoid funding delays near the deadline.

If you have already ordered chips and would like to switch out any stack of 25 for a different stack of 25, send an email to greg@thecagles.com if you ordered from ChipTalk.net, and send an email to Sales@HoldemPokerChips.com if you ordered through them. In the email, explain exactly what you want removed and exactly what you want to replace it with. Your total doesn’t change; we will get all of your chips to you no matter what you choose. No increases or decreases in total order allowed! If you want to make a separate order for more chips, just place a second order through ChipTalk.net or HoldemPokerChips.com.

Remember, deadline for getting in on the group buy is midnight (Central) on Saturday, May 14th.

Current Status and news:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20

Order from ChipTalk.net:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/PharaohOrders.php

Order from HPC:
http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PhaPre&amp;cat=36
http://www.holdempokerchips.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PhaNDPre&amp;cat=36

Money Order instructions:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10331&amp;highlight=#10331