How do you pick up a 7/10 split??

[teddyFBI]

OK, obviously it's possible, but I think I remember hearing that it's only been done like 3 or 4 times in a telivised PBA match.

Which of the following is the best way to go at the thing:

1)try to hit the VERY outside of the pin and slide it all the way across into the other one (this one seems impossible to me)

2) hit one of the pins hard but a little off center and try to get it to kick of the back panel and into the other one

3) bowl hard and so the ball actually goes into the gutter but gets a kick off the OUTSIDE side panel near the end of the gutter lane, and kicks back at a pretty sharp angle into the 7, sending it careening across the lane into the 10. (I think this would be the "easiest" of the 3, but my friend told me that this actually wouldn't count, since as soon as the ball goes into a gutter, it's dead, even if it bounces back out and hits some pins).

[TimM]

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1)try to hit the VERY outside of the pin and slide it all the way across into the other one (this one seems impossible to me)

2) hit one of the pins hard but a little off center and try to get it to kick of the back panel and into the other one

3) bowl hard and so the ball actually goes into the gutter but gets a kick off the OUTSIDE side panel near the end of the gutter lane, and kicks back at a pretty sharp angle into the 7, sending it careening across the lane into the 10. (I think this would be the "easiest" of the 3, but my friend told me that this actually wouldn't count, since as soon as the ball goes into a gutter, it's dead, even if it bounces back out and hits some pins).

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1) No good, not enough room on the lane.

2) I've seen it done a few times this way

3) Dead ball

One other way:

4) Hit one of the pins very thin but hard on the inside edge, and try to bounce it off the side wall and back onto the pin deck where it can hopefully bounce or roll into the other pin.

[Reef]

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[siccjay]

I've made it 3 times. You have to get the ball to bounce out of the back. Throwing it 20+ MPH helps a lot.

I've made it twice by throwing it hard towards the right of the pin and the other time to the left. It really depends from house to house. Some places bounce out of the back more on a certain side.

[teddyFBI]

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I've made it 3 times. You have to get the ball to bounce out of the back. Throwing it 20+ MPH helps a lot.

I've made it twice by throwing it hard towards the right of the pin and the other time to the left. It really depends from house to house. Some places bounce out of the back more on a certain side.

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surely u mean get the PIN to bounce out of the back, right, not the ball...?

[jasonHoldEm]

I've actually picked up a 7/10. Inside of of the 7 off the sidewall and back across. It was much cooler than my double turkey (6 strikes in a row), which is my only other major bowling achievement.

J

EDIT: This would actually make a cool prop bet, I wonder what kind of odds you'd have to lay to some PBA star.

[siccjay]

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I've made it 3 times. You have to get the ball to bounce out of the back. Throwing it 20+ MPH helps a lot.

I've made it twice by throwing it hard towards the right of the pin and the other time to the left. It really depends from house to house. Some places bounce out of the back more on a certain side.

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surely u mean get the PIN to bounce out of the back, right, not the ball...?

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HAHA yea my bad I definatley meant pin. If the ball bounced out (which I have seen before) it wouldn't count.

[Daliman]

#1 is possible,, seen it happen 2x.

#2 IS the most likely suspect though.

[siccjay]

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#1 is possible,, seen it happen 2x.

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I doubt it. The ball would have to go into the gutter to do that.

[slickpoppa]

I think the best way to do it is hit the left pin (not sure which number it is) really hard and from the right side so that it bounces first off of the left side wall, then the back wall, then hits the other pin.

The method of hitting the outside of the pin is hard because even if the pin has enough left to right momentum, it will also have momentum towards to back that will push it behind the other pin.

[Daliman]

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#1 is possible,, seen it happen 2x.

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I doubt it. The ball would have to go into the gutter to do that.

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You doubt i've seen it 2x like this?

[teddyFBI]

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I think the best way to do it is hit the left pin (not sure which number it is) really hard and from the right side so that it bounces first off of the left side wall, then the back wall, then hits the other pin.


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The problem with this (at least at my alley) is that the back wall isn't actually a WALL at all...it's more of a softer tarp (i think to prevent just that >> i.e. pins bouncing too hard off of it and interfering with those still standing) -- so the pin never gets enough action off that back thing to actually come back anywhere near the pins still standing.

[nothumb]

Hitting the inside and playing off the side wall is possible. A lot of newer houses have a more 'live' wall on the sides now for improved pin action.

The method of choice, however, is to throw hard at the ten pin (for a righty), a little off center. You need to throw the ball very straight and to have a shot it needs to be 20+ mph, probably more. You either hope to kick the pin off the backstop and out, or up into the machine and down onto the deck.

As for a prop bet, there are some guys who are 7-10 specialists. I have read about guys going into 'action' houses and laying even money they can get 4 out of 100. And succeeded.

The 'big 4' split (4-6-7-10) is almost as hard, harder for some people. I've never made either but I've seen both made with the pin-off-the-backstop method. I've also seen someone kick pins up into the machine and have two other pins fall out and take out the 7 pin. Was ruled a live shot.

I'm actually about to bowl in a tournament today, hopefully I won't need this thread. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

NT

[antidan444]

In the three years I bowled (horrifically ... 160 average = I suck a lot), the only two times I witnessed a 7-10 pickup were both done by a righty who threw a hard hook toward the inside of the 7, kicked it off the left wall and back across. We're talking a HARD hook.

On Sportscenter once they showed a guy making the 7-10 by throwing it hard to the outside of the 10 and kicking it across to get the seven, without the ball going in the gutter first, so this can be done. I would think the degree of difficulty is substantially higher this way, however.

Most of the time I tried to make both the 7 and the 10, I missed both, so I eventually gave up and just conceeded one.

Did I mention I suck?

[Brain]

Obviously, the correct answer is have your friend go up with you and you throw two balls at once.

[J_V]

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On Sportscenter once they showed a guy making the 7-10 by throwing it hard to the outside of the 10 and kicking it across to get the seven, without the ball going in the gutter first, so this can be done.

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No, it can't be done. The ball must hit the side or the back of the lane to converted.

[bugstud]

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On Sportscenter once they showed a guy making the 7-10 by throwing it hard to the outside of the 10 and kicking it across to get the seven, without the ball going in the gutter first, so this can be done.

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No, it can't be done. The ball must hit the side or the back of the lane to converted.

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what?

[InchoateHand]

Good luck boss.

[Daliman]

no offense, but the 467T is probably 5x easiler, than the 7T. I have picked up the big four oonce, and shot the 6 over into the 4 and 7 doing it.

GL in the tourney.

[Daliman]

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On Sportscenter once they showed a guy making the 7-10 by throwing it hard to the outside of the 10 and kicking it across to get the seven, without the ball going in the gutter first, so this can be done.

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No, it can't be done. The ball must hit the side or the back of the lane to converted.

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Exactly how many people have to tell you it can and they've seen it before you believe them?

It is
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Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

[siccjay]

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On Sportscenter once they showed a guy making the 7-10 by throwing it hard to the outside of the 10 and kicking it across to get the seven, without the ball going in the gutter first, so this can be done.

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No, it can't be done. The ball must hit the side or the back of the lane to converted.

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Exactly how many people have to tell you it can and they've seen it before you believe them?

It is
It can
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Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

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I see that you really believe in what you saw, but I also know a guy that swears he made the 7-10 by hitting them both with the ball. There is no way the pin can stay on the lane and hit the other, it has to come out of the back in some way. Sure, it could look like they slid it over but the pin did not toally stay on the lane, its impossible.

If you watched the PBA today they ironically mentioned how to make the 7-10 and Randy Peterson said it was to throw it hard and bounce it out of the back.

The Big 4 is just about as hard as making the 7-10, I've only made it once, but I've also probably shot at less.

[shawn_p]

#1. I did it once. It was cool.

[Porcupine]

I picked it up when I was 16 in the city tournament.
I naturally threw the ball pretty hard, so I just hit the 7 pin on the right and it bounced around the back eventually taking out the 10.

Never made the 467T, but got 3 of them once - that sucked.

[Daliman]

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On Sportscenter once they showed a guy making the 7-10 by throwing it hard to the outside of the 10 and kicking it across to get the seven, without the ball going in the gutter first, so this can be done.

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No, it can't be done. The ball must hit the side or the back of the lane to converted.

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Exactly how many people have to tell you it can and they've seen it before you believe them?

It is
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Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

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I see that you really believe in what you saw, but I also know a guy that swears he made the 7-10 by hitting them both with the ball. There is no way the pin can stay on the lane and hit the other, it has to come out of the back in some way. Sure, it could look like they slid it over but the pin did not toally stay on the lane, its impossible.

If you watched the PBA today they ironically mentioned how to make the 7-10 and Randy Peterson said it was to throw it hard and bounce it out of the back.

The Big 4 is just about as hard as making the 7-10, I've only made it once, but I've also probably shot at less.

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Ok, believe me or don't. I concur though that the best way is banging it out the back. Of course, the ball hitting both is ludicrous.

[chucksim]

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#1. I did it once. It was cool.

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Good job. I've only seen one made on TV, and I bowl 2 leagues with a number of hard throwers, so that's somewhat suprising to me.

I read recently that a reasonable % of people who have made it don't see it, because they wire the ball and turn their back, only to get lucky.

[B00T]

I made it twice.

I'm lefty. First time I hit the right half of the 7 pin, and it bounced off the curtain back onto the lane and rolled over and took out the 10 pin.

Second time, the ball clipped the very end of the 7 pin and just sent it straight up and on the right side of the lane. The 7 pin just fell on top of the 10 pin knocking it forward.

The 4-6-7-10 is MUCH harder than than the 7-10. I am willing to say 5x as hard.

Edit: In theory you leave a 7-10 much much more often than the 4-6-7-10. A typical league bowler can throw a very good shot and leave a 7-10 as opposed to leaving a 4-6-7-10 you have to throw a ball right through the middle of the head pin to leave this. 7-10's happen this way along with just a semi-weak "good shot".

I probably leave the 7-10 15x as often as I leave the 4-6-7-10.

[WC64]

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The 4-6-7-10 is MUCH harder than than the 7-10. I am willing to say 5x as hard.



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I dont think this is true. While they are definitely both hard. I think it is a lot easier to pick up the 4-6-7-10 than the 7-10. I have picked up the 4-6-7-10 a few times before and have yet to pick up a 7-10. I always try option 2. I will agree with you that you will see a 7-10 more than you see a 4-6-7-10 though.

[B00T]

Wow, I have never seen a 4-6-7-10 made in my life. I've seen ~5 7-10's made.

[siccjay]

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I read recently that a reasonable % of people who have made it don't see it, because they wire the ball and turn their back, only to get lucky.

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Funny you read that. The first time I made it I was bowling a college tournament and a blasted a pocket 7-10. Naturally I was heated. I fired the ball and turned around and then all of the sudden everyone from the the 3 pairs nearby went nuts. I turned around and nothin I was there. It was pretty funny. Luckly I made it in league about 3 weeks later.

[WC64]

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Wow, I have never seen a 4-6-7-10 made in my life. I've seen ~5 7-10's made.

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I really hate this thread lol. I was talking to my friends about this on Tuesday when I bowl and i had the first 6 strikes then I pull the ball a tad and it goes screaming through the nose and I leave the 4-6-7-10 and of course I only get one of them then strike out for a 260 /images/graemlins/confused.gif

But after talking about it with my friends I still think the 7-10 is harder, but I have seen it picked up a decent amount in the few leagues I bowl in. Of course people would get more excited if you pick up a 7-10 than a 4-6-7-10 from my experience.

[Dead]

I've hit a 4-6-7-10 as well and I am awful at bowling. My highest score ever was a 170 but I average around 130.