View Full Version : QJ flops top pair in a difficult situation...
hmkpoker
03-04-2005, 09:42 AM
Villian is 30%/6% with fairly low PFA.
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB :#A500AF(Villian)/ raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.
Flop: (12.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Villian bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds
What is your plan and why?
27offsooot
03-04-2005, 10:11 AM
I would call down unless I improve or if i'm checked to on the turn, bet and call a raise, and then fold the river UI. If c/red on the river I would fold. I think raising is useless and u have 5 outs if u are behind. I would rather let him keep betting AK or JJ and extract the most if u are ahead. I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.
This is a great situation, not a difficult one. You suddenly lost 4 players all who had put in 2 SB before the flop, and you're heads up with top pair!
Raise for information, if you get 3-bet you can probably even call down for a jack or queen which may win you the pot.
If called you may get a free card, which you could take at risk of the check-raise. River call a bet or value bet to a check unless it's an Ace/King in which case check behind. That's my plan. so shoot me already /images/graemlins/smile.gif
krishanleong
03-04-2005, 10:37 AM
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I would call down unless I improve or if i'm checked to on the turn, bet and call a raise, and then fold the river UI. If c/red on the river I would fold. I think raising is useless and u have 5 outs if u are behind. I would rather let him keep betting AK or JJ and extract the most if u are ahead.
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This is good advice.
Krishan
einbert
03-04-2005, 10:39 AM
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I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.
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Call down UI.
krishanleong
03-04-2005, 10:39 AM
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Raise for information,
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Ugg, this is the worst reason to raise. It looks like you are trying to raise so he can dump a worse hand so you can win the least. And if he has a hand you lose to, he gets to 3-bet you and lost the most. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I like the other plan.
Krishan
chief444
03-04-2005, 10:45 AM
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I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.
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Of course they will. But I agree with you.
27offsooot
03-04-2005, 10:51 AM
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I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.
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Of course they will. But I agree with you.
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It's only 25% so far! I think that others will refrain from arguing this though now.
chief444
03-04-2005, 10:57 AM
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It's only 25% so far! I think that others will refrain from arguing this though now.
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Good! /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Since we put an early stop to that let me add also that the preflop limp is fine and obvious before that inevitable debate begins. /images/graemlins/cool.gif
SlantNGo
03-04-2005, 12:42 PM
I like a raise here for several reasons... possibility of a free showdown, chance to take down the pot right now (even a single overcard is a threat because of the size of the pot), and you have 5 pretty clean outs so you're not in terrible shape even if you're behind.
But what do I know, I'm still a micro /images/graemlins/wink.gif
Milky
03-04-2005, 12:47 PM
The flop isn't very threatening. I may just call the bet and raise a harmless turn card.
Rudbaeck
03-04-2005, 04:11 PM
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The flop isn't very threatening. I may just call the bet and raise a harmless turn card.
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Then worse hands fold and better hands three-bet you. Calling down is SOP here.
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