Has anyone gone THE DISTANCE?.

[Baulucky]

A good LHE poker player can, on average, double his BR every 10,000 hands or so. Provided he/she finds games that he can beat at +3 BB/100 + rakeback. Let's give the player a full month to double his BR.

THE DISTANCE:

Starting with $500 or less, go from Party 1-2 to Party 30-60 in 5 months or less, and play there for the rest of the year for a total yearly income of $500,000 or more in 250,000 Hands or less.

The numbers say this is actually very possible in theory. Has anyone that you know of, gone THE DISTANCE?.

[ctv1116]

No.

[[censored]]

No but that sounds pretty [censored] sweet.

[axioma]

i would say that doubling you BR every 10k hands is very optimistic.

[Predator314]

I've went from a .50/1.00 bankroll to a $5/10 bankroll in less than 3 months. However, I don't think that's a great feat. If you add in the bad beat jackpots, I actually did go from a .50/1 to a 30/60 bankroll. The jackpot money was cashed out though to pay off loans.

[youngin20]

I think some of your assumptions are incorrect. A player will find it easy to crush 1/2 2/4 etc for 3/bb, but shifting to 15/30 etc will be tough...i dont think allowing for variance this can be done without being a total lucksack.

[Baulucky]

That's 1/4 of a way there without the JP... You did well. The stretch from 5-10 to 30-60 looks harder.

[Baulucky]

That's why I allowed a full month to double, easy to put in way more than 10,000 hands in 1 month.

[NoJokerAtPoker]

Its easy. I made about 2 million dollars on Bodog Poker last year starting in Jan.

[Bytestream]

the only person that made 2 million at Bodog last year was the owner

[NoJokerAtPoker]

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the only person that made 2 million at Bodog last year was the owner

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I'm not the owner

[Nick-Zack]

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If you add in the bad beat jackpots,

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By jackpotS do you mean that you have been at the winning table more than once?

[Predator314]

Yes, November was a very good month for me. I provided the bad beat on election day for $15,000. Two weeks later, I was sitting at a table where the jackpot was hit for an additional $5,000.

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[stigmata]

I'm trying and failing /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Learnt the rules of poker in august.
Only got seriously started in October.
In 5 months (starting with $50), I have moved from 0.5/1 to 10/20.

Which isnt too far different from your description.
However, I have played way more than 10k for the last few months. I am far from a 3BB at the current level, and would be more than satisified with achieving 2 long term. The challenge becomes significantly tougher when you hit 10-20.

I don't think this is anything special, I know there are people out there who have moved up further and faster.

I can't see why this can't be done though.... it's just that it would be a rather pointless activity for those who could achieve it.

[Baulucky]

Good job. I agree the last stretch seems hardest.

[Hellmouth]

I am at the bottom of the barrel right now (.25/.50) and I have only been playing poker at all for 6mo's. Ive only been playing online for the last week. Maybe its just me but Im not in any hurry to move up as fast as possible right now. I play a few hours each night and am still learining the ropes trying to clear my first $100 bonus. I would rather play within my bankroll and move up slowly then to see where I get to. I dont want to have a set time table because there already seem like enought things to worry about at this point.

Who knows though, maybe next week Ill feel differently.

Greg

[IndieMatty]

August 4th 2004: 200 deposit into Empire

January 2005: Made my first cashout of over 5 figures and still have a very healthy 15/30 bankroll...thoough no increase since..ive been running bad/breakeven.

[morgant]

huh

[Al P]

No, I'm waiting for my $12,000 deposit bonus and turning $5,000 into $1,000,000 through 50% annual returns.

[Baulucky]

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No, I'm waiting for my $12,000 deposit bonus and turning $5,000 into $1,000,000 through 50% annual returns.

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I'm also waiting for the $12,000 bonus. In the meantime I'm working on THE DISTANCE and have $50K tied in the 50% plan.

If I manage to go THE DISTANCE, I'll be set, and won't need to beg for $2M to manage anymore, I'll just trade at higher leverage and keep at the last stage of THE DISTANCE as diversification.

It'd be fun to know that $500K is just 1 year of heavy poker. I hope I can do it.

[Baulucky]

Good job. You are half way there.

"Livin' on a prayer".

[einbert]

5 months eh? Well I deposited $100 into PP in late December, read SSHE and started playing $.5/1. Right now I'm playing 5/10 SH with a 500BB BR so we'll see how it goes.

[Baulucky]

That's what I'm talking about!. I knew there was more than one big winner in these forums!. You are ahead of pace by a large margin. Congrats.

[Rudbaeck]

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500,000 or more in 250,000 Hands or less.

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Why are we only allowed to play 3 months worth of hands this year?

[Reef]

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Yes, November was a very good month for me. I provided the bad beat on election day for $15,000. Two weeks later, I was sitting at a table where the jackpot was hit for an additional $5,000.

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I hate you so much

[Reef]

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500,000 or more in 250,000 Hands or less.

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Why are we only allowed to play 3 months worth of hands this year?

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500k is almost 2k hands/day, Mon-Fri, for EVERY single week of the year. Talk about burnout.

[Rudbaeck]

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500,000 or more in 250,000 Hands or less.

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Why are we only allowed to play 3 months worth of hands this year?

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500k is almost 2k hands/day, Mon-Fri, for EVERY single week of the year. Talk about burnout.

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The 500k was the bling bling, the 250k was the hand number. I see 500 hands per hour while multitabling. A 4 hour workday doesn't really seem like it will create much burnout.

Ok, it's probably 6 hours with the time to find enough tables, reading the forums here and maybe checking up a few things in TOP/SSH/HEFAP or whatever.

[touchfaith]

I've never gone The Distance, but I do know that Sheep go to Heaven and Goats go to Hell...

...so I figure it's a piece of Cake.

[bdk3clash]

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August 4th 2004: 200 deposit into Empire

January 2005: Made my first cashout of over 5 figures and still have a very healthy 15/30 bankroll...thoough no increase since..ive been running bad/breakeven.

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I'm not sure which accomplishment is more impressive: this stunning bankroll growth or having the greatest avatar ever.

[[censored]]

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August 4th 2004: 200 deposit into Empire

January 2005: Made my first cashout of over 5 figures and still have a very healthy 15/30 bankroll...thoough no increase since..ive been running bad/breakeven.

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Whoah, for a second I thought I read 5 figure cash out.

[Knoler]

Haven't nearly gone the distance, but I'm moving up at my own pace.

Aug '04: $125 deposit at Party. Start playing lots of NLHE SnGs. Read HEPFAP, didn't get it.

Sept '04: Bought PT, registered at 2+2. Read SSHE, didn't get it.

Oct '04: Played a little of everything: SnGs, limit, NL cash. Start 2-tabling. Decide to start by trying to learn limit in detail.

Nov '04: Moved up to 2/4 too quick; got killed. Stayed at the new limit too long, had to drop to .50/1. Read SSHE again, things start to click.

Dec '04: Work my way through .5/1 to 1/2 and 1/2 6max. Began 3-tabling, then 4-tabling.

Jan '05: Lots of 1/2 6max; what a fun game. I have my "I get it now" moment where the underlying concepts of the game start to gel in my brain. I move back up to 2/4 and promptly drop 100BB. Damn variance.

Feb '05: Break-through month at 2/4: up 300BB in a vacation shortened month. Start 6-tabling at peak times. Read SSHE *again*; still lots to learn.

Mar '05: +100BB at 2/4 thus far. I love variance. BR stands at 1000BB for 2/4, including myriad bonus bucks.

So, things are going well. I've certainly got lots and lots to learn, but I'm getting there. I've begun datamining 3/6 and 5/10 6max for my next move up.

I'm a long way from 30/60 but then again, I could put my name on the wait list now and still not get a table before I'm ready. Right now I'm just looking forward to the move to 5/10 6max.

I've also started drooling over the Dell 2405FPW. (24 in widesceen LCD similar to the 2001FP. Mmmmmm...)

Alright, I'm done with my bragging now.
Regards,
-Brian

[MS Sunshine]

Attempting to go up in limit every 10K hands is just gambling. Your most sustainable win rate will most likely be in the mid-limits somewhere.

The 300 BB for a BR, I lean towards 500 BB, is assuming you are a 2 BB/100 hand winning player. As you rise in limit you should be staying at each limit for a longer time. Winning during 10K hands is just positive varience even for a breakeven player, or worse.

Completely own the limit you are on before even considering going up. Myself and almost every winning player here has lost entire BRs playing limits above their abilities. You should never take a large chance to blow your BR. Before you go up, set a fixed point of when to show the white flag. Stick to it. It's a real bummer to try to go up one level and find yourself dropping two levels because of BR problems.

MS Sunshine

[goodguy_1]

MS please post more!

[Rudbaeck]

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The 300 BB for a BR, I lean towards 500 BB, is assuming you are a 2 BB/100 hand winning player.

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Actually the 300BB BR rule is for a starting roll for a 2-3BB/100 winner who re-invests every single penny in his roll.

If you want to have a static bankroll 1000BB is probably on the low side.

[Art Vandelay]

I'm assuming you are not counting bonuses (and you shouldn't be counting rakeback) in these calculations? Those skew your winrate dramatically and falsely inflate your bankroll.

Moving up a limit at every 10k hands is wreckless and will likely lead to busting out. JMO, but I'm a part time 2/4 and 3/6 player.

[Baulucky]

I respect and appreciate your input. After more than a year of "playing-it-safe", I want to take a shot to the big money. I will quickly come down if things get sour.

Post more often please.

[Baulucky]

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Why are we only allowed to play 3 months worth of hands this year?

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I would like to learn how to exercise good game selection while still playing 500 HH per hr. (Is that 8-tabling?).

It'd be great to cut my poker time in half.

[Rudbaeck]

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I would like to learn how to exercise good game selection while still playing 500 HH per hr. (Is that 8-tabling?).

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Three party skin accounts. Play on two, use the third to continously scout for better tables. Don't browse 2+2, chat on icq, watch tv. Just play.

[Baulucky]

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Three party skin accounts. Play on two, use the third to continously scout for better tables. Don't browse 2+2, chat on icq, watch tv. Just play.

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Thanks a lot. Would you please describe your computer (processor, memory, video card (cards?), internet connection), monitor setup (i.e.: lined up or one on top of the other), and if you use any special software to manage the video windows in the 3-4 monitors you have running, special mouse?, also do you use PV or GT with PT?.

Lastly, would you describe your chair/desk setup?. A photo would be great.

You've made me modify THE DISTANCE:

THE (NEW) DISTANCE:

THE DISTANCE:

Starting with $500 or less, go from Party 1-2 to Party 30-60 in 5 months or less, and play there for the rest of the year for a total yearly income of $500,000 or more in 1250 real playing hours or less.

Thanks.

[Weebl]

Thanks a lot. Would you please describe your computer (processor, memory, video card (cards?), internet connection), monitor setup (i.e.: lined up or one on top of the other), and if you use any special software to manage the video windows in the 3-4 monitors you have running, special mouse?, also do you use PV or GT with PT?.

Lastly, would you describe your chair/desk setup?. A photo would be great.



This interests me also as I am fine tuning my poker office right now to maximize usefulness and comfort.
thx

[Nick-Zack]

I play 2K hands at least 6 and usually 7 days a week and have for several months now. It really only takes about 5 hours of playing 6 tables.

[Rudbaeck]

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Thanks a lot. Would you please describe your computer (processor, memory, video card (cards?), internet connection), monitor setup (i.e.: lined up or one on top of the other), and if you use any special software to manage the video windows in the 3-4 monitors you have running, special mouse?, also do you use PV or GT with PT?.

Lastly, would you describe your chair/desk setup?. A photo would be great.

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I have two monitors actually, both capable of 2048x1536. That is total overkill. All I really need to see are the 8 tables I play, the other 4 are minimized and I check in on them every few minutes to see if any of them is really juicy. The monitors are side by side.

I use PV with PT, that's a big part of the setup. Lots of datamining so I have stats on many players already.

Computer is a 2.2ghz athlon with 1gb ram. Only noteworthy thing about it is that PT has a dedicated disk. I'll probably upgrade to a dedicated 15.2k rpm scsi disk next month. Internet connection is a 10mb lan connection to the university. This probably doesn't matter at all, as long as you aren't on dial-up you'll be fine. Poker isn't a bandwidth hog. It's great for downloading porn though... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I've got a flat desk, and a regular $50 office chair. Going to buy an Aeron soon, so it seems like a waste to buy an intermediate chair. A better desk is impossible to get as there is no choice but to share a wide desk with my wife due to our rather compact living.

[Baulucky]

Thanks for your input. Are you playing at 15-30?.

[MaxPower]

If you could do this you are the greatest poker player ever. In fact the greatest poker player ever would have a hard time doing this.

The most likely outcome is that you will have to drop down in limits or go completely broke.

But Good Luck /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Baulucky]

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If you could do this you are the greatest poker player ever.

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I'm not even half good, but I think several in this forum are, and if you put in the hours is not even a big goal.

I'm not saying that a completely new player attempts this, but that many experienced players are capable of going THE DISTANCE.

Of course you will never know if you can go THE DISTANCE, until after you've done it. It's a practical task, not theory, much like climbing a big mountain or completing the marathon.

[MaxPower]

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If you could do this you are the greatest poker player ever.

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I'm not even half good, but I think several in this forum are, and if you put in the hours is not even a big goal.

I'm not saying that a completely new player attempts this, but that many experienced players are capable of going THE DISTANCE.

Of course you will never know if you can go THE DISTANCE, until after you've done it. It's a practical task, not theory, much like climbing a big mountain or completing the marathon.

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You tell me that you are going to start with 250BB at 1/2 and make 500,000 in one year while playing 1250 real hours.

I don't care how experienced or good someone is, the chances of doing this are extremely slim.

Any player that acheives this was simply very lucky. I don't know anything about you personally and you seem like a nice guy, but I sometimes marvel at the level of delusion in these forums.

[Rudbaeck]

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Thanks for your input. Are you playing at 15-30?.

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Nope, I've got a bit to go yet. One foot in 5/10 and one foot still in 3/6. Hoping to switch over to 5/10 short handed next month. It's a total bitch finding even 4 juicy full ring tables at 5/10. So I cherry pick 5/10 and grind 3/6 atm.

My goal is to be firmly entrenched in 5/10 sh before April 25th. (Which will be the 1 year anniversary of my first poker hand ever.)

[kurosh]

I started online poker 6 months ago. I started limit 5 months ago. I made 3 initial deposits of $50. My total profit to date is 25k. I play 15/30 but haven't for the past week or two cause I'm bored with it and my internet connection is crapping out.

Do I win?

[scotty34]

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Starting with $500 or less, go from Party 1-2 to Party 30-60 in 5 months or less, and play there for the rest of the year for a total yearly income of $500,000 or more in 1250 real playing hours or less.

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$500 000 \ 1250 hours = $400/hr

You would not be making anywhere close to this playing 1/2 and other low limits. To make up for it, you would need to probably be making $1000/hr+ for a good portion of it. You can't actually believe this is possible can you?

[Baulucky]

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You can't actually believe this is possible can you?

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It is more than possible, plenty of time to spare. Some have done it faster.

[n_mitch]

Names please...

[ggbman]

The problem with this theory is that a novice cannot beat all these games for 3bb/100, which is why this situation wouldn't materialize. 10,000 hands isn't even enough to determine if you can beat a limit, let alone move up.