View Full Version : is it just me.....
bigmac366
03-01-2005, 01:58 PM
or are there some truly awful players in the party 2/4 game? way more than at 1/2 it seems. my sample size is small but i've seen quite a few very loose passives. is the party 2/4 actually softer than the 1/2?
AngryCola
03-01-2005, 02:02 PM
[ QUOTE ]
or are there some truly awful players in the party 2/4 game? way more than at 1/2 it seems. my sample size is small but i've seen quite a few very loose passives. is the party 2/4 actually softer than the 1/2?
[/ QUOTE ]
For the full ring games?
Yeah.
I've always noticed the same thing.
But it's not surprising. The limits can be weird that way. Just because the limit is lower doesn't mean the game is softer. I think this is a prime example of that fact.
spiff21
03-01-2005, 02:10 PM
I think 2/4 at party poker is very passive. I would say that ~5 ppl at a 10 seat table are Tight-Passive and the rest is Loose-Passive. You seldom find more than 2 Tight-Aggressive at a table (excluding yourself).
sthief09
03-01-2005, 02:35 PM
the worst 1/2 players to go 6-max, which has more action. it's the same reason that 5/10 and 10/20 full are the tightest games on Party
crunchy1
03-01-2005, 02:49 PM
It's a reload bonus week!!! Fish are out in full force chasing those raked hands for their bonus whoring!!!
WOO HOO!!!
JerseyTom
03-01-2005, 03:02 PM
One really good explanation I heard for this is that 2/4 is typically the lowest limit offered in B&M, so those players naturally gravitate to 2/4 online as well since "that's my normal level".
What they don't realize is that the average online 2/4 game plays more like 5/10 live (or higher?), so they get pwned...
1/2 full on Party is a very weak tight game and can be beaten with good TAG play. You'll often find more "students" of the game at this level, who have ground/grinded their way up from lower limits, building a bankroll.
1/2 6 max is the land of milk and honey. Truly horrific players... Not uncommon for me to sit at a table for a hour and be the only guy with VPIP < 40. Good times when you get good cards and they hold up.
Tom
young nut
03-01-2005, 03:17 PM
I would agree with this statement. 2/4 players seem much more passive than the 1/2. 2/4 was the first limit that I've seen someone hit their set on an uncoordinated board and not raise a single street (and I've seen this 3 times now.) It just blows my mind. Make it a ritual to play weeknight from 7-12pm and you are bound to find some of the softest 2/4 players around.
Tim H
03-01-2005, 03:43 PM
check the 2/4 bad beat tables
its a sucker prop bet but the players there are worse than the regular 2/4 tables i think
most come in underbank rolled and play every hand they have
if you get frustrated by "bad" play and Q7s chasing a flush to the river to beat your AA you better stay away /images/graemlins/smile.gif
I have always said that the party 1/2 games were tougher than 2/4 and 3/6. I don't know why.
I guess BW.com agrees:
Full Ring Hold'em
Limit Grade Availability
$.50-$1 A- 100%
$1-$2 B 100%
$2-$4 A+ 100%
$3-$6 A 100%
$5-$10 A- 100%
$10-$20 B+ 100%
$15-$30 A 100%
$30-$60 C 85%
adamstewart
03-01-2005, 04:03 PM
Way back before I moved up to 2/4, I had heard the same thing and always questioned how this could be. I almost couldn't believe it, as it seemed so counter-intuitive. Once I moved up, though, I realized it was true. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Anyway, there are two strong reasons that could explain this phenomenon:
(1) There are no 6 max games at the 2/4 or 3/6 levels. So all of the "action-fish" are drawn to the 1/2 6 max, making the 1/2 ring games fairly tight. Further, when the "action-fish" try to move up in stakes, they are forced to go through 2/4 ring (or move all the way up to 5/10 6 max where they'd get killed).
(2) The typical lowest limit in a live casino game is 2/4. Therefore, all the B&M fish who want to try out internet poker start out at 2/4, figuring this is the level they usually play at, but not realizing that internet games are a hell of lot tougher than corresponding live games.
Adam
frank_iii
03-01-2005, 05:12 PM
I believe BW.com's grading scale is not intended to be used to compare limits at a single site, but rather the same limit across sites.
bobbyi
03-01-2005, 05:19 PM
[ QUOTE ]
One really good explanation I heard for this is that 2/4 is typically the lowest limit offered in B&M, so those players naturally gravitate to 2/4 online as well since "that's my normal level".
[/ QUOTE ]
I don't have any statistics to back this up, but I believe that there are more b&m cardrooms where the lowest limit is 3/6 than where it is 2/4.
bobbyi
03-01-2005, 05:20 PM
[ QUOTE ]
the worst 1/2 players to go 6-max, which has more action. it's the same reason that 5/10 and 10/20 full are the tightest games on Party
[/ QUOTE ]
I've wondered about this for a while: Why on earth do they not offer 3/6 6-max tables (or at least some limit between 1/2 and 5/10)?
Absolution
03-01-2005, 05:27 PM
Okay, I'm disappointed in you guys. What's with all of this agreeing? I want a nice long zero-sum game theory post bashing this.
sthief09
03-01-2005, 05:27 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
the worst 1/2 players to go 6-max, which has more action. it's the same reason that 5/10 and 10/20 full are the tightest games on Party
[/ QUOTE ]
I've wondered about this for a while: Why on earth do they not offer 3/6 6-max tables (or at least some limit between 1/2 and 5/10)?
[/ QUOTE ]
it would cannibalize the 5/10 tables. the bad players from 5/10 6m would go to 3/6, the bad players from 3/6 full would go to 3/6 6m and you're left with a tighter 3/6 full, 5/10 full, and 5/10 6m
True...probably not applicable here.
[ QUOTE ]
I want a nice long zero-sum game theory post bashing this
[/ QUOTE ]
While I don't have one of these for you (or the knowledge to do so), here's what I can tell you. I have PokerEdge and frequently check out all the games going 1/2, 2/4 and 3/6 and different days of the week and at different times. PokerEdge puts tight players as red and loose as green, so it's very easy to spot a table with a lot of loose players, tight players or in between (they just show up as black). 1/2 games are usually pretty loaded with red names. I can always find 2 or 3 games in 2/4 and 3/6 that have 8 green names and no red names. I hardly ever find this in 1/2.
Absolution
03-01-2005, 05:43 PM
[ QUOTE ]
While I don't have one of these for you (or the knowledge to do so), here's what I can tell you. I have PokerEdge and frequently check out all the games going 1/2, 2/4 and 3/6 and different days of the week and at different times. PokerEdge puts tight players as red and loose as green, so it's very easy to spot a table with a lot of loose players, tight players or in between (they just show up as black). 1/2 games are usually pretty loaded with red names. I can always find 2 or 3 games in 2/4 and 3/6 that have 8 green names and no red names. I hardly ever find this in 1/2.
[/ QUOTE ]
QED
not familiar with what QED means...
Quit Endless Discussion?...
The man asked a question, and I'm giving an answer.
Harv72b
03-01-2005, 05:58 PM
1/2 full = the game of choice for full-time bonus chasers. As many of these people are just playing by-the-book tight/weak, it's going to affect the overall game quality. That's in addition to all the players with a clue who are working their way up the limits and are currently making the obligatory long stop at 1/2.
As far as why there seem to be a lot of poor players at 2/4, well...for one thing, it's Party. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Also a couple of psychological factors, I think:
1) Your typical gambooler with a decent income can generally afford his losses on 2/4. But, unlike 1/2, when he gets on one of his hot runs, the money he wins is enough to do more with than go out for a nice dinner.
2) 2/4 is the last limit offered on Party until 10/20 which offers the traditional 1:2 blind structure. For someone who can't be bothered to learn how to play the game in the first place, changing to an unfamiliar 1:3 or 2:5 blinds system might be enough to dissuade them from moving up further.
A couple of my theories, anyway. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
SeeWillie
03-01-2005, 06:56 PM
QED = Quod Erat Demonstratum - or something like that, my Latin is rusty. Basically means that the answer has been shown, so he is agreeing with you.
I am awesome, I beat all of you at every game ever. QED
pwned
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.