View Full Version : I hate 88
Such a weak hand.
No reads.
Pacific Poker 0.5/1 (10 players)
Hero is MP3 with 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
EP1 calls, <font color="red"> EP2 raises</font> , EP3 calls, 2 folds, <font color="blue"> Hero??</font>
I'm getting 2.5 to 1 for this.
Worth a call?
Nick Royale
02-22-2005, 09:23 PM
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I'm getting 2.5 to 1 for this.
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You're getting 3.25:1 and I would fold. This is dependant on my reads on the players to act behind me. If they like coldcalling, I would consider calling.
mackthefork
02-22-2005, 09:27 PM
88 Can be okay at times, this was the best table i've seen in weeks, 4 or 5 total lunatics, btw i fold that one also.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.75.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (7.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (13.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.
River: (17.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.
Final Pot: 29.75 BB
Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has 2c Qs (flush, ace high).
Hero has 8d 8h (full house, eights full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 29.75 BB. </font>
Regards Mack
Entity
02-22-2005, 09:28 PM
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88 Can be okay at times, this was the best table i've seen in weeks, 4 or 5 total lunatics, btw i fold that one also.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.75.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (7.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (13.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.
River: (17.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.
Final Pot: 29.75 BB
Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has 2c Qs (flush, ace high).
Hero has 8d 8h (full house, eights full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 29.75 BB. </font>
Regards Mack
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I'd raise preflop in your hand in a heartbeat.
Rob
Entity
02-22-2005, 09:29 PM
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Such a weak hand.
No reads.
Pacific Poker 0.5/1 (10 players)
Hero is MP3 with 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
EP1 calls, <font color="red"> EP2 raises</font> , EP3 calls, 2 folds, <font color="blue"> Hero??</font>
I'm getting 2.5 to 1 for this.
Worth a call?
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Folding is prudent with no reads. I sometimes 3-bet, but it's always with a read, knowing what my postflop plan is against said player.
Rob
Shillx
02-22-2005, 09:32 PM
One more caller (or coldcaller) and I call. As is, I fold.
Brad
mackthefork
02-22-2005, 09:37 PM
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I'd raise preflop in your hand in a heartbeat.
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Haha you always find some fundamental flaw in my hands man.
Question - Am I raising here because i have a preflop edge that needs pushing, or because it would tie people to the pot for when i hit my sets. Also how would raising affect the way I need to play post flop when I miss, I mean I can fold when i don't hit if i check here, but if i raise i assume I need to go hard after some favourable flops such as 1 overcard or perhaps even no overcards.
I would be interested in anything you have to say on this.
Regards Mack
Entity
02-22-2005, 09:38 PM
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I'd raise preflop in your hand in a heartbeat.
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Haha you always find some fundamental flaw in my hands man.
Question - Am I raising here because i have a preflop edge that needs pushing, or because it would tie people to the pot for when i hit my sets. Also how would raising affect the way I need to play post flop when I miss, I mean I can fold when i don't hit if i check here, but if i raise i assume I need to go hard after some favourable flops such as 1 overcard or perhaps even no overcards.
I would be interested in anything you have to say on this.
Regards Mack
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All of the above to an extent, but you forgot the most important one: position.
Rob
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You're getting 3.25:1 and I would fold.
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Ahh, I never thought about including the SB and BB.
Thanks for the heads up.
I'm leaning towards fold.
Lee Jones said I should "Call... with a few players in".
mackthefork
02-22-2005, 09:42 PM
Got you, next time i am in a similar position i make sure i raise, I forgot I posted on the button here, shame on me.
Thanks
Mack
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