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spydog
02-16-2005, 07:56 AM
BB is TAG.

I usually raise preflop with less than 3 limpers. With 3 limpers, I just called.

On the turn UTG+1 bet his last 4.50, so I raised.

Can anyone lay this river down?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 calls $4.50 (All-In), MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (17.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 23.75 BB
spydog
02-17-2005, 10:35 AM
bump
bakku
02-17-2005, 10:36 AM
If BB is a TAG he's not c/r'ing the river into 3 players with a hand that you beat.
DMBFan23
02-17-2005, 10:43 AM
what do we put BB on? A3 seems possible, as does A4...I'd say something like 4x of spades, but you'd think he'd bet the flop with that and no PFR. if he has hero outkicked you'd think we would have heard of him by now, same if he had A5/A7/A2. I guess he could have a set, but you'd think he'd make his move on the turn with something like 55/22.

I agree that it's hard for hero to be good here. I think this is one of those things where our first instinct is "I'm screwed" but our second instinct is "I can't lay this down for 'one more bet', it's top pair" even though one more bet is a checkraise of the field against which we have virtually no chance. I'm guilty of it too sometimes.
Fat Nicky
02-17-2005, 10:48 AM
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I agree that it's hard for hero to be good here. I think this is one of those things where our first instinct is "I'm screwed" but our second instinct is "I can't lay this down for 'one more bet', it's top pair" even though one more bet is a checkraise of the field against which we have virtually no chance. I'm guilty of it too sometimes.



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We are all guilty of calling for one bet in huge pots but look at it this way. Villain is a TAG so he must have some understanding of the game, he saw us raise the turn, and now he is raising us at the river. There is a 99% chance here that he beat one pair. I don't even think making this call getting over 20-1 is +EV
Nate tha' Great
02-17-2005, 10:51 AM
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If BB is a TAG he's not c/r'ing the river into 3 players with a hand that you beat.

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Plus most of the money is tied up in a sidepot. You can't bluff someone who is all in. I don't think there's any way that you're good here.
chief444
02-17-2005, 10:58 AM
46s, non spades?
DMBFan23
02-17-2005, 10:59 AM
Nicky,

totally. I think somehow our mind is tricked into thinking the two bets are paid one at a time, and though they technically are, calling a single bet on the river is a totally different matter from calling a c/r in a multiway pot.
DMBFan23
02-17-2005, 11:00 AM
with the double gutter on the turn...nice....
bakku
02-17-2005, 11:02 AM
I'm putting my money on 44
Entity
02-17-2005, 11:22 AM
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I'm putting my money on 44

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I'm thinking 4h6h.
spydog
02-17-2005, 12:09 PM
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I'm putting my money on 44

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Bingo....you win....and I lost, of course.
DMBFan23
02-17-2005, 12:12 PM
how thin is that turn call getting ~15.75 - 2? He has the 4's and 3's as outs, but some of his outs have to be dirty. did he have the 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif? also his implied odds have to be sucky because one player is all in

EDIT: I guess we can assume MP2 will call again as well, that brings it up a little
krishanleong
02-17-2005, 12:13 PM
Villian was me.

Krishan
krishanleong
02-17-2005, 12:18 PM
I would raise preflop. ATo is kinda like AQo on the BB. You have an equity edge on the limpers. Raise and play good poker afterwards.

I was greedy on the river. I don't think I'm ever cring the river with a hand you beat. That said, it's tough not to call.

The implied odds on the turn call turned out to be pretty good. I'm not absolutely certain that call is standard.

Krishan
bakku
02-17-2005, 12:21 PM
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I'm putting my money on 44

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Bingo....you win....and I lost, of course.

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I look forward to Entity and Chief444 replying here /images/graemlins/wink.gif.
spydog
02-17-2005, 12:21 PM
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Villian was me.

Krishan

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Nice catch...biiiatch. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

EDIT: And at least I got the TAG read correct.
bakku
02-17-2005, 09:51 PM
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