good read or stupid raise ?

[euri10]

except that I should not be in this hand as my hand isn't good enough to sustain a preflop raise, is it stupid to raise the preflop raiser on the flop ?

ps : i suspect a little problem with the converter in the result written on my opponent hands, cards are true but obviously it does not make this hand rank....or I'm drunk

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($24.50)
SB ($25)
BB ($19.55)
UTG ($6.10)
UTG+1 ($24.75)
MP1 ($58.40)
MP2 ($27.75)
Hero ($67.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.25.

Flop: ($5) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4.75</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $19</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $23.5</font>, Hero calls $4.50.

Turn: ($52) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($52) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $52

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Ad Jd Ts Ah (flush, ace high).
Hero has 6c Kc 7c Tc (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: SB wins $52. </font>

[nicky g]

Not really. You've likely out-flopped him and there's noone else to worry about in the hand.

[Kellermann]

I had liked your raise better if there were no two-flush on the board. Your hand might be the best but it is very vulnerable to both straight and flushdraws.

[Cleveland Guy]

I agree with Kellerman.

I don't like trying to take down Suspected AAs when the board comes 2 flush - I usually think they have an Ax of the suit on the board.

[nicky g]

Even if they do have the suited ace to go with their AA, which is not particularly likely, your move is EV+.

[nicky g]

"I usually think they have an Ax of the suit on the board. "

Why would you "usually " think this? Are your opponents particularly lucky?

I checked on twodimes and you are marginally behind (51/49) if your opponent has the flush draw plus his AA. So if the stacks were unlimited, you would want to fold. Given that they aren't, there is money in the pot and the vast majority of the time they don't have the flush draw, you are good.

[Cleveland Guy]

[ QUOTE ]
"I usually think they have an Ax of the suit on the board. "

Why would you "usually " think this? Are your opponents particularly lucky?

I checked on twodimes and you are marginally behind (51/49) if your opponent has the flush draw plus his AA. So if the stacks were unlimited, you would want to fold. Given that they aren't, there is money in the pot and the vast majority of the time they don't have the flush draw, you are good.

[/ QUOTE ]

I probably usually think this cause I tend to be a weak/tight at times at the table.

Even so, since I didn't put that much money in on this flop, and I'm likely a coin flip, or worse I think I can find better spots to take down the average player.

[nicky g]

"Even so, since I didn't put that much money in on this flop, and I'm likely a coin flip, or worse I think I can find better spots to take down the average player. "

How are you likely a coinflip or worse? You're only a coinflip some of the time. Heads up when you flop 2 pair you're likely best. If the money is deep and it becomes obvious you aren't, fine, but that's not the case here.

[rickofcampbell]

Your biggest mistake was taking the flop. You are four suited so I wouldn't even limp in LP. If you do limp, then you should fold for the raise. IMP this hand is barely worth a limp if it is double suited.

Your play on the flop is fine. If you are calling raised pots with these kinds of hands you are going to have high fluctuations, so why not go for it with top two pair.

[euri10]

ty for your answers, I agree I should not be in this hand.
btw what is a good %tage of flops seen ni PLO, is 25% too tight, 50% too loose, what is your average number of flop seen if this concept has a sense as it has in Holdem ?

[rickofcampbell]

In a ring game I shoot for around 25% when not in the blinds. Obviously it will vary wildly in a given session depending on your cards. It is not something to be anal about, but if you are typically playing over 35% of your hands then the easiest way to improve your results and lower your fluctuation would be to play tigher before the flop.

In holdem I probably average around 17-18%, which makes sense since you can play more hands in omaha. Godd luck.

[mosquito]

Top 2 with a two flush on board?
And a possible wrap? With a BAD top 2? Are you NUTS?

I won't play that hand that way unless I "own"
the SB. Given that the SB has a shortish stack,
you really have to be prepared for his all in
when you stay in the hand, regardless of your
exact action.

I don't like any part of the way the hand was played,
except the last call of 4.50 all in is obviously right...

[Walter]

you are heads up with someone that you have marked with aces. not sure why you fear the wrap. is this guy raising out of the blinds with J98? as for the flush, the ace has to be suited. then that has to match the two flush on the board. the combined probabilities are low. even if he has the draw, you are almost even and have shallow stacks. this is the kind of flop you want if you make a bad call hoping to pop aces.

[johnnybeef]

this is a definate fold. true your hand is prolly best on the flop, but it will be a rare situation that it either stays that way or the hand will end right there. two pair without any redraws is a trap hand. i lose more money with 2 pair than with any other holding. the way i have found 2 pair to be most profitable is a pot bet and no other action afterwards.

hope this helps,
johnny

[muck_nutz]

Caveat I havn't played any micro limit PLO but your hand really doesn't have enough struccture to enter the pot. Against reasonable opponents you hope he only has aces and a flush draw here. You will also get shown runsdowns which have flushy/straighty outs or set+flush or straighty outs. Against many of these things your two pair is in serious trouble.

I don't like how your opponent played his hand. He couldn't get himeself in preflop and then on the flop he had a dry ace which he could have used on the turn to cause you problems. Instead he gave away all his leverage.

It looks like the converter doesn't understand that you must use 2 cards in Omaha.

[Kellermann]

The point is that while this flop play might be +ev you are hardly adding to your bankroll while most certainly increasing your variance.

Since you are exploiting a tiny edge like this you should have a bankroll like that a casino has for a roulette wheel. Otherwise you might go broke before your luck changes.