Why you see so much sucking out online

1. There are lots of bad players online.


2. Online games play extremely fast compared to live games.


Put away your conspiracy theories and your non-random deck theories. As a programmer myself, I know that most programmers are lazy and it would be much more difficult to write software that cheats than software that deals the cards randomly. Not to mention, an online site would be shooting itself in the foot.


I know from my own experience and from that of another aquaintance, that online poker is a virtual goldmine for a decent player. Hey, "Virtual Goldmine", that's not a bad name for an online casino! /images/smile.gif

I agree with you, Tim. I would even like to add that there is even an art to "sucking out." I have had momments where good pot munipulation and using raises to get a free card can really look like you got lucky. Usually it is some other player doing it to me /images/smile.gif .

"1. There are lots of bad players online.


2. Online games play extremely fast compared to live games."


Finally some fresh ideas on this topic.


"Put away your conspiracy theories and your non-random deck theories."


If you say so I guess I will. Sure, I don't know who you are or what you're basing this on; but you said you're a programmer and the internet poker involves computers so you must know what you're talking about.


"I know from my own experience and from that of another aquaintance, "


Ahhh, there's that proof I was looking for. You've done well, and so has some guy. Subject closed.

if that amount of research and that stunning a display of logic doesn't convince you, then what will? /images/smile.gif

I play mostly at Party Poker, Pokerroom, and poker.com. I've also played a little at Paradise, UltimateBet, and Planet Poker, although I find those places a tad tougher than the first three, so I don't put in as many hours there.


I've played a total of about 80 hours online, which is equivalent to about 200 hours of live play in terms of number of hands. Enough to know that the games are plenty beatable and above-board. Is there some collusion going on? Probably can't be totally eliminated. But the recent posts that suggests cards are not randomly dealt are ludicrous.


P.S. I have no connection to any of these sites, other than that I play there. So I think I'm just about as objective as anyone can be.

if ((player_one == tight) && (player_two == fish))

{


bypass_random_preflop(player_one,AA,player_two,Q4) ;


deal_two_pair_flop(player_two);


deal_turn_blank();


deal_river_blank();

}


So the code above would need some tweaking, but it still could be done easier than most everyone thinks.


Risk vs. Reward.....

Still laughing.

bradleyT -


your example is pretty funny. i might remind you that "player_one == tight" and "player_two == fish" is a Hard Problem, capital H, capital P. ask the guys at the university of alberta what they think of opponent modeling.


for instance, i might remind you that the set of tight players and the set of fish have a non-empty intersection.


i think i'll go write down some pseudocode for the "solving all my problems" problem and use it to solve all my problems now.


good luck


the club

If player A = fish AND player B = professional poker player, THEN

For I = 1-100000000

RankplayerA'shand > RankplayerB'shand

Next I


It was a little crude but seemed to work properly. This stuff is child's play for the sophisticated programmer like myself.

You forgot the

do{

if(player_recently_cashed_out)

{


dealLosingHandToPlayer(player_who_recently_cashed_ out);

}

while(player_has_not_bought_in_again);


Since these are standard methods in the basic library of any basic programming method, the problem is rediculously easy to solve.

first right answer. methods similar to the ones you mention are in the java poker api, v2.0. sun doesn't recommend you use them however, as the results are platform-dependent.


good luck


the club

I felt that the obvious had to be pointed out, given that there are so many posts of the ilk:


"I just got my AA cracked by someone who called all my raises and then hit their gutshot on the river. [Substitute name of online site] must be fixed!".


I was merely pointing out (obvious to many, I'll admit) that you see this a lot online because there are lots of hand per hour and lots of bad players. If the alleged fixing of cards to favor the fish was prevalent, it would be almost impossible for a good player to succeed online, yet the "some guy" that I know is a professional player of 10 years who has made a small fortune online within the past year.

{give_good_player_made_hand}

{allow_fish_to_suck_out_on_river}

here's the thing, nobody is saying that there aren't more games per hour online and we all know there are a lot of crappy players online. And I'm not suggesting that there aren't good players making money online, after all I'm the greatest and I'm making money online(incidently I've played against you many times at party and I believe you're beating the game). However, those two truths aren't enough to allow me to say with certainty that everything's kosher. There are a lot of things about online poker that concern me. When someone starts there own thread regurgitating stuff I've heard a million times it feels more like propaganda than discussion. Seems like 98% of the people on this forum either believe internet poker is clean as the falling snow and defend it as if it were there first born; or they scream about a bad hand which proves to them that terrorists, drug-lords, and telemarketers are behind IntPok in a massive plot to steal their $67. There are certainly exceptions(Doug gets a laugh out of me know and then), but I am here as an advocate of open-mindedness, moderation, and sarcastic rebuttal. Because someone is suspicious of an online, central-american gambling organization does not automatically mean they're crappy card players; and because you lost with AA to J4o does not automatically mean you were cheated. Wonder if anyone read all the way to this point.

You mentioned "central-american" in your post as if being "central-american" was derogatory.


Anyways, the point I'm making is that the public does not trust "central-american" countries as much as the US. I'm praying for the day Las Vegas casinos are allowed to open online poker rooms! /images/smile.gif


Then the fish will be allowed to buyin with their visa cards, and hopefully we'll see easier games than the tough games currently on the net!


- Tony

yes it's true that I did give Central American a derogatory connotation. I'd like to be clear that I meant no disrespect to the fine people of central and south america, however I stand by that statement. It would be much, much harder to bring legal action against an organization based in these locations than it would against one bound by the laws of our country. This makes doing business with such a corporation riskier.

"and hopefully we'll see easier games than the tough games currently on the net!"


tough? lol. if you're playing in a tough game i would suggest you put some effort into finding a softer game. they're not hard to find.