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[kurosh]

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, CO calls.

River: (13.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

I would've folded to a raise on the river.

[kurosh]

I wish I could delete this. Reading back over it, I've found my own mistakes. The guy had a 5% PFR and 50 VP$IP over 40 hands, which I didn't look at until after the hand. I think the river is a check/call but besides that everything else good?

[Cardzy]

I think you played it well against that type of player.

[kurosh]

He had QQ. It seems like he played it perfectly against me. He extracted the most he could. Anyone play this differently?

[bdk3clash]

I tend to not 3-bet TT in this spot preflop, particularly against a tightish raiser.

Against a tight raiser I also don't see what this flop checkraise accomplishes, unless you're planning on seeing if he 3-bets or not and then folding the turn unimproved.

If you're beating anything he has it's AKs or maybe 99-88-77, and you're better off calling to encourage further bluffing if you're ahead and minimizing the bets you lose when you're behind, which is a lot of the time.

Yes, the pot is multiway, but anyone calling is getting more than 8:1, so raising doesn't really protect your hand.

Having raised the flop, I like the turn bet. I'm not sure what the river bet accomplishes--what do you think he has, and what is he going to do with it?

Note that I might be biased because I know the results.

[kurosh]

It was only over 40 hands and I didn't look at his stats while playing this hand.

The flop checkraise is to make the other face 2 cold to limit the field and also see if he 3-bets.

[bdk3clash]

Don't include ex post facto reads; if you played this hand without knowing he was a tight raiser then we shouldn't know either.

[DaShark]

The river bet is scary. I'd probably check and call here, maybe even check and fold. I doubt there's a whole lot of value there against a preflop capper.

[W. Deranged]

I don't think you can bet this river. If he calls, what are you beating? AQ is unlikely with the pre-flop cap, and he might fold that anyway. 77-99 also seems unlikely. Until the river came, your best shot was that he had AK, and you're dead to that now to. I strongly doubt a bet will fold any better hands... if he was hanging around waiting to catch a K, he's still playing. I doubt QQ, AJ, etc... is going to fold to a bet (you'd need a real tight weak read on your opponent to make that play).

I honestly don't think you can bet here. In fact, I think that check-folding is fine here. You'd need to be ahead about 6% of the time here to make a call worth it, and I actually don't think you get to that number. Calling for peace of mind isn't horrible, but I don't see you winning this ever, really.

[Harv72b]

Even against a 5% PFR guy, I like 3-betting preflop. If he's raising with big broadway, better to get heads up &amp; only have to dodge 2 overcards, instead of potentially 4 with the other limpers in.

It's been said already, but the flop c/r doesn't accomplish anything in a pot this size. They're getting nearly 10:1 to call 2 cold, and that's more than enough to take a card off with two overs here, especially since anyone with an A also picked up a backdoor to the wheel. If anything, I'd rather bet out &amp; face the field with deciding whether or not to call 1 with a likely raise behind them, and then a possible 3-bet from you after that. The odds will still be there, but some tighter players will fold overcards in that situation anyway.

Once you're heads up, I think check/call is the way to go..although by the time the river comes, you're toast against anything a reasonable player would cap with.

[bdk3clash]

Good post. I was really struggling to articulate how I felt about the river--I think betting and folding to a raise and check-folding are both valid. I hate check-calling.

This ends up being a surprisingly challenging hand. For me, anyway.