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juanez
12-15-2004, 05:31 AM
After moving from 1/2 to 2/4, I did pretty well for a little while. Now 2/4 is about as fun as a hot poker up the asss - crushing me to the tune of -5 bb/100 or so after 5500+ hands. Something must be wrong, even with the small sample size. Maybe I'm playing too tight, like 1/2? VPIP, PFR, etc. are almost exactly the same as 1/2, where I've consistently been 2.5 to 3 BB/100 for several months. Maybe I just have to suck it up and figure it's a well timed downswing prescribed by the gods?

This was the first hand at this table for MP3 and me and I have no stats on any involved players.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $2. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

I routinely see folks playing like UTG+1 with middle/low pp's, even after overs appear on the board. Just wondering if folding on the river here was too tight...

Vaftrudner
12-15-2004, 05:38 AM
You need more hands to know, so far a bad swing. And fold the river. /v

runa
12-15-2004, 01:54 PM
Supposedly 10x the # of hands is required to know your true win rate. What are your stats at 1/2 anyway?

If it were heads up I might call down but otheriwse I'd probably fold.

chief444
12-15-2004, 02:00 PM
This hand looks fine to me. I don't see any other way to play it. I think it's a pretty easy fold vs. overcall on the river.

Bob T.
12-15-2004, 04:00 PM
I might call with your hand. But, once there is one other caller, I am not going to overcall with your hand. Good fold.