JJ - Standard?

[wuarhg]

Yes or No? And no reads yet!

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

[eric5148]

Why check the river?

[uw_madtown]

No. If you're going to call a bet, then bet out on the river and fold to a raise. Check-calling is terrible, IMO.

[wuarhg]

Wow, And I thought this was standard. Maybe i'm just tired, I usually bet these rivers since he can be calling with all sorts of stuff like middle pair and lower pocketpairs, yes?

[uw_madtown]

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Wow, And I thought this was standard. Maybe i'm just tired, I usually bet these rivers since he can be calling with all sorts of stuff like middle pair and lower pocketpairs, yes?

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Or with the K or Q /images/graemlins/club.gif as well.

The idea is that if you're beat, you're paying him off either way by check-calling OR by betting and folding to a reraise. I highly doubt he's going to bluff-raise here, so you can safely lay down knowing you're beat to a raise on the river. However, you may get him to fold a better hand some of the time (a weak A).

I think the amount of times that check-calling would induce a bluff is roughly comparable to the amount of times that a 9, 5, or other smaller PP will call your river bet, so they probably even out.

I think the potential of getting a weaker hand to fold is the difference here.

[wuarhg]

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Wow, And I thought this was standard. Maybe i'm just tired, I usually bet these rivers since he can be calling with all sorts of stuff like middle pair and lower pocketpairs, yes?

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Or with the K or Q /images/graemlins/club.gif as well.

The idea is that if you're beat, you're paying him off either way by check-calling OR by betting and folding to a reraise. I highly doubt he's going to bluff-raise here, so you can safely lay down knowing you're beat to a raise on the river. However, you may get him to fold a better hand some of the time (a weak A).

I think the amount of times that check-calling would induce a bluff is roughly comparable to the amount of times that a 9, 5, or other smaller PP will call your river bet, so they probably even out.

I think the potential of getting a weaker hand to fold is the difference here.

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yup, my brain just froze, this should be common knowledge to me.