Fallin in love w/the Flop

[Bigdaddydvo]

Exactly what I think happened here. 3 hands into a Party 10+1 SNG. Blinds 10/15.

2 limpers, I call in MP3 with J /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Button calls, both blinds in.

Flop J /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Checked to me, I bet 60, Button raises to 120, everyone else folds. Top pair w/flush draw, so I pushed.

Hindsight I could have very well been up against a set, so I think a push was a little ambitious considering how early in the tourney it was. A call is probably more appropriate. Thoughts? Results to follow.

[Desdia72]

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Exactly what I think happened here. 3 hands into a Party 10+1 SNG. Blinds 10/15.

2 limpers, I call in MP3 with J /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Button calls, both blinds in.

Flop J /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Checked to me, I bet 60, Button raises to 120, everyone else folds. Top pair w/flush draw, so I pushed.

Hindsight I could have very well been up against a set, so I think a push was a little ambitious considering how early in the tourney it was. A call is probably more appropriate. Thoughts? Results to follow.

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i don't like it. first off, you already have a marginal suited hand that has draw possibilities that could still be dominated by a bigger one (note this is still preflop thinking: i.e. Q 9suited). you have too many cards that need to hit in order to connect a Jack and 7. secondly, even with TP + a flush draw you're still behind to a TP bigger kicker, sets & trips, two pair Js and 10s, and a bigger flush draw to the nuts. i'd consider the flop reraise bet by your opponent as an indication that you are probably behind. i like a call better than over the top but i probably would'nt have even spent money on it preflop.

[stillnotking]

By pushing, you are actually hoping your opponent has a bigger flush draw. If you knew he did, a push would definitely be the best option, as it forces him to either fold a big draw or call without pot odds. But if your opponent has a made hand, you would rather just call and see if you hit your flush.

So it pretty much comes down to your read of the opponent. A weak player would probably smooth call in his spot with a big flush draw, so if he is a weak (passive) player, pushing is a bad idea. If he's a strong player and you suspect him raising on a draw, pushing is not bad.

[poboy]

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i don't like it. first off, you already have a marginal suited hand that has draw possibilities that could still be dominated by a bigger one (note this is still preflop thinking: i.e. Q 9suited).

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You must be kidding. The only hands that he's in really deep trouble against are AJs-QJs

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secondly, even with TP + a flush draw you're still behind to a TP bigger kicker, sets & trips, two pair Js and 10s, and a bigger flush draw to the nuts.

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Ok two pair Js and Ts isn't even possible nor are trips, could be a set but you have a live draw that can beat that, same with TPTK

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i'd consider the flop reraise bet by your opponent as an indication that you are probably behind. i like a call better than over the top but i probably would'nt have even spent money on it preflop.

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Or he could be drawing to the flush,bluffing, or betting a weaker hand. The only thing I agree with you about is that pushing is probably not the best play. I would call and bet out again on the turn , if he's drawing he'll probably give up at this point. If he's not it's unlikely that he would re-raise you again with most hands(probably only w/ a set), so at least you get to set the price of the river card.

[Bigdaddydvo]

Turns out Button limped with of all things 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif3 : /images/graemlins/heart.gif (Gus Hanson must be really growing on people) for the flopped two pair. Actually I was a bit of a favorite after the flop (51%) w/top pair and the flush draw, but he caught a 2nd 7 on the turn to make a full house. Such is life. And poker.

[stillnotking]

Hey, that was me! I read that somebody wrote a computer program that showed 7's and 3's hit more often on the flop, so I always play 73 (but I only raise if it's soooooooted)! /images/graemlins/wink.gif