View Full Version : What is a good ROI playing HU sit and go.
Yahve
11-14-2004, 02:54 PM
Hi all,
I was actually wondering what should be a good ROI playing HU sngs. I started playing HU 10+1 at stars and im doing good so far. I know that a good ROI on a 1 table sngs should be around 20-30%, is it different if its HU tourney. I think it should be lower since when you win, you only earn 1 buyin. Also, what should be a proper bankroll? 20-30 buyin like in a normal 1-table sngs?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
Yahve
Check out the FAQ sticky at the top of the page it tells all about expected RoI and proper bankrolls.
OGRE
Yahve
11-14-2004, 04:32 PM
Hi,
I think you missunderstood my question. Firs of all, english is not my first language, so bare with me. I already know about ROI and bankroll for regular sngs. I was just wondering if it should be the same for HU sngs. I meand Heads Up... one on one.. but not on cash game. HU sngs as they spread at pokerstars... Those that you play against only one opponents. I guess the result should be different than 1-table sngs. Different ROI, different variance. I need some tougth about it.
In the FAQ topic they tell only about ROI and bankroll for 1-table sngs not HU.
Yahve
stupidsucker
11-14-2004, 05:27 PM
without ever really playing one, I am fairly sure that your roi will be lower, but you can play more HU sng/hour then a 10 man sng.
rjb03
11-14-2004, 05:30 PM
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without ever really playing one, I am fairly sure that your roi will be lower, but you can play more HU sng/hour then a 10 man sng.
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What if you multi-table full tables? Can someone 4 table hu sngs?
lorinda
11-14-2004, 05:46 PM
In the $20s you can certainly score 62-63% if my 100 sample and La Brujita's 300 sample sizes mean anything.
I was at 68% in the $10s, but sample size only 44
That's in the money, not return on investment.
Lori
adanthar
11-14-2004, 06:37 PM
Subtracting the rake, that'd indicate the max ROI is what, ~10% at the $20 level?
Even if you could four table them without losing any of your reads, this'd seem to imply they're a bad investment.
On the other hand, what if you four tabled them with a big bankroll to handle the swings, then used Eastbay's top 70/top 30 system and just went in on nearly every hand?
La Brujita
11-14-2004, 06:38 PM
Hi there,
Here is a thread I started in January. It was about hu sit and gos generally and also 4-player tourneys. The original post:
"I just started playing them recently and wanted to give my thoughts and get feedback.
If any of my thoughts are wrong feel free to correct them.
I play a bunch of the hu tourneys on stars. I like them pretty well and win about 63.5%. I decided to try the four person tourneys today because I figured there would be some positive ev.
Here are my thoughts on the ev matter. For the purposes of calcuation, tournament is 20+1, first place wins net 59.
If you win at 63.5% here are the hourly calculations (assuming average hu match is 1/2 hour):
About 40% of the time you will win $59 (this will always take one hour).
The other 60% you will lose $21. Half of this time it will take 1/2 hour to get knocked out, other half 1 hour (this is a mildly faulty assumption, as the better player is more likely to advance in the other half of bracket).
In one 8.5 day you would win 4 times and lose six times.
This would be a net profit of $110.
If you played hu 20+1 at the same winning percentage you would make $4.40 per game, meaning $74.80 in that same 8.5 hour day.
The $110 might not seem like much but at the $50 level that is $475 a day. Of course it is much harder to have the same winning percentage in a higher stakes game.
Thoughts:
1. The reason you make more money is twofold, (a) you pay less rake and (b) you get leverage from the other semifinal.
2. I think I have underestimated hourly ev for a couple of reasons (a) each average match takes probably a little under a half an hour, (b) part of the reason a good player wins more is he/she will be able to slowly grind out victory, I think fatigue/boredom becomes a bit of a factor as you play the second match and (c) if your semifinal finishes first, you can watch the other match and pick up clues on their play. C might actually cut the other way since your match (as a grinder) will probably take a bit longer to play.
Does anyone else play these tourneys and if so what do they think about them in general?
Regards"
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If you want my opinion a year later I am pretty sure I could win at least 60% of these at the 20 level but in terms of hourly rate it can't compare to even low limit multitabling of ring games I don't think. I would have a very hard time playing more than two at once, and it would substantially effect my ev. I four table full ring games without any problems. It is just the basic fact that I play about 1/5 hands in a limit ring game and perhaps 4/5 in a heads up match.
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