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elindauer

10-20-2004, 02:47 AM

This is mostly a look-at-the-big-pot-I-won post. I thought it was interesting though to think about the flop action. When I was acting I felt there was little chance of the flop being checked through, as it hadn't happened in ages, and that at this table, my bet out would be unusual and a sign of strength. Despite these drawbacks, I nearly bet anyways as there are so many hands that can give me action. Note that the preflop raiser flopped the "nut" flush, and was checking on a slowplay himself. Terrible... until you notice that the third guy in the hand would have been knocked out by any flop action!

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: elindauer is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
elindauer calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, elindauer calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)

Zoinks!

SB checks, BB checks, elindauer (seriously considers betting but instead just) checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks (?! really bad play IMO).

Turn: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)

But the free card worked! 55 just got sucked in for eight big bets. Oops.

SB checks, BB checks, elindauer bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, elindauer 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, CO caps, elindauer calls, MP3 calls.

River: (19 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)

elindauer bets, MP3 raises (poor guy), CO 3-bets (huh? poor hand reading), elindauer caps, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 31 BB
Main Pot: 31 BB, between elindauer, MP3 and CO.

Results:
elindauer has Th Kh (straight flush, king high).
MP3 has 5h 5c (full house, fives full of nines).
CO has 3h Ah (flush, ace high).
Outcome: elindauer wins 31 BB.

It's not every day your opponents put in 16 big bets drawing dead. This hand was near perfect for me.

Nightwish

10-20-2004, 03:24 AM

Nice hand! It's not every day that you flop a straight flush.

Although a friend of mine made two straight flushes in one hour a couple years ago. I saw it too. I'd swear online poker is rigged, except that was at the Eldorado in Reno.

SoBeDude

10-20-2004, 03:49 AM

KTs should be folded UTG.

-Scott

Nightwish

10-20-2004, 03:55 AM

I take it the absence of a smiley means you're serious?

GuyOnTilt

10-20-2004, 04:37 AM

I take it the absence of a smiley means you're serious?

I fold it at almost all Party 15 tables.

GoT

1800GAMBLER

10-20-2004, 08:15 AM

Me too.

KJs is my borderline in which i'll either limp or raise. KTs QJs are folded.

Turning Stone Pro

10-20-2004, 09:25 AM

because I would of fainted on the flop, disconnected, taken down a few measly SBs after being "all in", suffer ridicule by the other players, and, last but not least, been chastised by PP for disconnecting.

God, I hope I never get a hand like that!

TSP

Turning Stone Pro

10-20-2004, 09:27 AM

"KTs should be folded UTG."

Some people still cant make the adjustment to PP . . .amazing.

TSP

Nightwish

10-20-2004, 01:02 PM

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I take it the absence of a smiley means you're serious?

I fold it at almost all Party 15 tables.

GoT

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I think this is a playable hand, even UTG, but certainly not on all Party tables. It depends on the players behind me.

elindauer

10-20-2004, 01:11 PM

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KTs should be folded UTG.

-Scott

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lol. Thanks for the broad generic statement about how to play hands with no knowledge of the players at your table. Please ignore the fact that on this hand alone, we saw the flop six handed, I got tremendous action on my winner, players put in too many bets and raises with hands that looked likely beaten, and assume that I haven't put the least bit of thought into whether or not I can play this hand against this group. In fact, I think you could watch just this one hand and make an educated guess that limping with KTs UTG is profitable. Guys were limping in with J2o in this game. One guy called four flop bets with 22 on a Q95 board. I know because he turned a 2 against my two pair and... called down. This game was nothing like the type of tight and tough game you would need to fold this hand UTG.

If you're just pointing out that sometimes KTs is foldable UTG, although probably not here, than fine. That's true.

Good luck.
Eric

TaintedRogue

10-20-2004, 05:10 PM

It appears to be, and I'd be willing to bet on it, that your two opponents belong in the 1/2 game and that the only reason they are in the 15/30 is because they are RICH.
If I'm wrong, it's because they were stoned or drunk.
If that is also wrong, then you made this all up.
Look for them every time you go to the casino. Get to know them. Be their friend

TaintedRogue

10-20-2004, 05:17 PM

If I can count on 6 opponents for no more than 2 bets preflop at least 70% of the time, I'm playing JTs KTs QTs from any position.
I play in an 11 handed home game 10/20 under the same game conditions. Major variance and major $$.

na4bart

10-20-2004, 05:49 PM

Not this time:)

joker122

10-20-2004, 06:18 PM

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KJs is my borderline in which i'll either limp or raise. KTs QJs are folded.

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What is your VP$IP?

elindauer

10-20-2004, 07:52 PM

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It appears to be, and I'd be willing to bet on it, that your two opponents belong in the 1/2 game and that the only reason they are in the 15/30 is because they are RICH.

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The funny thing is, these guys played there hands quite reasonably compared to the other plays made at this table, by other players. It was, ahem, a good game.

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If I'm wrong, it's because they were stoned or drunk.
If that is also wrong, then you made this all up.
Look for them every time you go to the casino. Get to know them. Be their friend

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I've seen much worse. As to the hand, I don't think you're challenging it's validity, but feel free to verify yourself. PartyPoker hand #1077644783.

Thanks.
Eric

1800GAMBLER

10-21-2004, 07:12 AM

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KJs is my borderline in which i'll either limp or raise. KTs QJs are folded.

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What is your VP$IP?

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