All This Talk About Guns.....

[HDPM]

You guys are a bad influence. After the thread about guns I realized I had not bought anything after the rancid AW ban sunsetted. So I just had to be the first one on my block to get a post-ban Glock 17. New ones have the "tactical" rails where I can hang a flashlight or laser sight or whatever. Has the new finger grooves. But yes kids, they are again shipping 17 round mags. Got two in the box and backordered a couple. The fit in my baby glock I got when you could only get 10 rounders anyway.

Got it a few days ago. Shot it yesterday along with the baby glock. Both rliable. New one was excellent. I was rusty and slapped and jerked the trigger and anticipated recoil. Got better after some practice. Might just learn to really control the trigger on the reset during recoil.

Zeno's .45 may be cool, but mine holds 2X more. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Sponger15SB]

ah nothing says self defense like 17 rounds fired from a glock with a laser sight.

[HDPM]

You won't catch me with a laser sight. Until they try to ban them at least. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seriously. The day you see me with a laser sight I will buy you a bottle of your choice up to something like bookers or macallan cask strength. No louis xiii, but any quality spirit less than 100 in todays dollars.

If you are implying that a 17 round mag isn't for self defense, I'd just point out any pistol is not an offensive weapon no matter how many rounds it holds. They are too dinky to be an offensive weapon. The fact that thugs use them against the unarmed during crimes makes squeamish people like my good friend sarah brady think they are offensive weapons tho. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I know I don't need one. But ban it and see how fast I want one. I am a little contrarian. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Ray Zee]

the nice part of having 18 rounds is if you run into multiple thugs or just one behind something. after firing about 12 or so shots they are in the next county. running for dear life. poor zeno would be fiddling with his short stubby rounds trying to reload.

[Cubswin]

did you get the attachment for shooting down police helicopters?

http://www.messfreak.com/display/data/thumbnails/6/The_Simpsons___Homer_gun_51416.jpg

[Zeno]

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Zeno's .45 may be cool, but mine holds 2X more. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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More than 2X, but just by one.

And yes, my Springfield 1911 A1 is cool. But I may have to get another handgun. I'm thinking a .357 mag. The 45 has good knock down power but with a .357 mag you can start punching bullets through walls, steel doors, moving vehicles, etc.

Glad you purchased another gun and I know you will enjoy it. Our society just became a little more safe.

-Zeno

[Zeno]

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poor zeno would be fiddling with his short stubby rounds trying to reload.

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Not quite, Mr. Zee. I have two 8 round wilson mags and always have my 45 in a canvas holster that has a special holder for the extra magazine. So I have 16 rounds to work with. The switch out takes about 5 seconds or so. Anyway, I hit what I aim at so most of the time 8 rounds will be plenty. Anyway, with HDPM getting a new gun and me with secure steady work again, I think I will have to shop around and get another handgun but I may purchase a rifle first (I do not have a rifle /images/graemlins/shocked.gif), especially with the silly AW ban bitting the dust.

I want to get something with a 30 round magazine so I can beat HDPM and his little pop gun with 17 rounds. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

-Zeno

[HDPM]

Sorry, I just might have a 40 round 7.62 X 39 mag laying around - might have beat you to it. The point is not to get even, it is to get ahead. Because somebody will always have more. But you can always have more than you had before. Get as many prizes as you can, as fast as you can. GL. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[HDPM]

When I got the glock the salesman tried to get me to buy a coupla shotguns. One was a beautiful merckel sisde by side with two triggers. A nice old style bird gun. But the 5K price tag was too much for something I don't really want. And it would only be shot once, that being the once when HDPW shoots me for buying it. But the other thing was a useful defense shotgun. Benelli semi auto. Kerry wants to ban them. Light, handy, peep sights, fastest semi auto action around. You need one. Really bad. Less than a G-note too. Hurry up, they might sell out. I am coveting one and know I wont buy one. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[wacki]

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The point is not to get even, it is to get ahead. Because somebody will always have more. But you can always have more than you had before. Get as many prizes as you can, as fast as you can. GL. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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That's right, thats why I like the FN P90. It has a 50 round mag.
I think I shall use them the way I use beer.... one for each arm.
What do you think? Safety first, off course.

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/guns_1100px/fn_tw_p90_r.jpg

Do you think Ray Zee's blood is boiling right about now?

[Ray Zee]

no i like guns that i can aim and hit whatever i am aiming at , at the distance the gun is intented for. no short stuff like for a gun like that. i would rather have a shotgun for close range stuff. but if facing 20 attackers i would love that thing.

[John Cole]

That is, HDPM, Zeno, and Zee. And, I betcha youse guys din't even like Bowling For Columbine. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[benfranklin]

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And, I betcha youse guys din't even like Bowling For Columbine. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I think that "Bowling..." was a badly-done movie by any objective standards. I think that critics who praised it, like Roger Ebert, were actually endorsing its political view. I taped it from cable to watch later. I had to watch it 3 times to see it all, because it was so boring I kept falling asleep.

Even given that it was an op ed piece, not a documentary, it was not well done. It rambled without structure, seeming to revolve around some vague notions that guns are evil, Charleton Heston is evil, Americans are homicidal maniacs, and Canada is a utopia. I found his treatment of Heston to be particularly pathetic. Through innuendo and juxtaposition of unrelated film clips, he made Heston look like a gun-crazed maniac. His interview with Heston was embarassing to both Heston and Moore, abusing Heston's hospitality while showing Moore essentially battling to a tie in a debate with a man in the early stages of Alzheimer's. Moore's standard tactics of ambush interviews are tasteless and rude.

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/images/graemlins/smile.gif cole:

i can getcha a good deal on a used hand gernade..believe me..much more effective than those rifles they love..

gl

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[benfranklin]

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/images/graemlins/smile.gif cole:

i can getcha a good deal on a used hand gernade..believe me..much more effective than those rifles they love..

gl

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I don't think they are very effective after they've been used. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[wacki]

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no i like guns that i can aim and hit whatever i am aiming at , at the distance the gun is intented for. no short stuff like for a gun like that. i would rather have a shotgun for close range stuff. but if facing 20 attackers i would love that thing.

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Glad you didn't take it personally. /images/graemlins/grin.gif I of course am not getting one, but it is still a nice machine. Don't underestimate it as it has a 10.35-inch (26.3 cm) barrel. Also, it is not uncommon for people to aim it at a target 150 feet away and unload all 50 rounds and get a 9.5 inch (24 cm) spread.

I guess I just like it because it was in N64's goldeneye. Next stop CS, condition zero.

[Blarg]

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Zeno's .45 may be cool, but mine holds 2X more.

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Cool. I need more rounds, too, in case I've been drinking.

[wacki]

Cowboy: "You're so drunk, you're probably seein' double."
Doc: "I got two guns, one fer each of ya."

[Ray Zee]

john, i love watching everything more does. he is great. i dont agree with it all though, maybe 50%. he makes you think about things you take for granted or dont think you can do anything about. if a person hates someone because they think different than them its time to think different than.

[wacki]

Johncole
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That is, HDPM, Zeno, and Zee. And, I betcha youse guys din't even like Bowling For Columbine.

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Ray Zee,
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john, i love watching everything more does. he is great. i dont agree with it all though, maybe 50%. he makes you think about things you take for granted or dont think you can do anything about. if a person hates someone because they think different than them its time to think different than.

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Maybe you both should take a look at this book.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0060763957.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

It's got 36 pages of urls, and sources to check all of the facts in the back of the book. Lets see Moore do that!

Michael Moore is clever, but he is also a spineless bastard. I haven't seen Bowling For Columbine, but after watching the first half of Fahrenheit 9/11 and wasting many hours of my life fact checking everything he said in the video, I decided never ever to waste another second of my life watching a Moore flick. I will also never give that man any of my money. That man is a spineless bastard, and very, very good at what he does. I can't believe that man isn't in jail for slander. I also can't believe so many people pay attention to him. I respect different opinions, but that man is a scumbag! I can't believe he hasn't been sued for slander and libel.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
www.bowlingfortruth.com/ (http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/)
http://www.moorelies.com/
http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/
http://www.mooreexposed.com/
http://www.f411.com/
http://www.centigrade911.com/
http://www.neoperspectives.com/farenheight_911.htm
http://www.workingpsychology.com/fahrenheit.html
http://victorhanson.com/articles/tartakovsky072804.htm
http://www.duamm.blogspot.com/

and there's many more.

[benfranklin]

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That man is a spineless bastard, and very, very good at what he does. I can't believe that man isn't in jail for slander.

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I haven't seen F911, but based on "Bowling...", it would be very difficult to sue Moore for slander. Because he is a worm, he doesn't say things directly. He puts two film clips together, implying that one thing followed from the other. For example, in "Bowling..." he showed people upset that the NRA convention was taking place in Denver soon after Columbine, followed by a shot of Heston holding an old flintlock rifle over his head, doing his "from my cold dead hands" routine. These conventions are planned years in advance, and the NRA could not change the time or place of the Denver meeting. They did cut back on many of the planned activities, including the trade show, which Moore conveniently omits mentioning. The shot of Heston with the rifle was taken almost a year later, I think at the next NRA convention.

Moore also sticks a microphone in peoples' faces and asks slimy questions, of the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" type, rather than actually state his lies as fact. Under the law, you can get away with a lot of innuendo under the guise of entertainment and political satire, which is what Moore's films are. Anyone who thinks Moore's films are documentaries thinks that supermarket tabloids are newspapers.

[wacki]

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Anyone who thinks Moore's films are documentaries thinks that supermarket tabloids are newspapers.

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Agreed, if you use Moore as a source, you lose all credibility with me and anyone else with enough common sense to check peoples facts, or watch Fox News.

[Blarg]

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anyone else with enough common sense to check peoples facts, or watch Fox News.


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Fox news? LOL, I think that's one of the funniest things I've ever read on the internet.

[wacki]

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anyone else with enough common sense to check peoples facts, or watch Fox News.


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Fox news? LOL, I think that's one of the funniest things I've ever read on the internet.

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Considering he was a guest columnist for USATODAY and the New York Times was recommending that everyone go see it, I stand by my Fox News comment. It was incredible to see how all the different was different outlets covered Moore. Some did it pretty well, like MSNBC and Slate. Others, like the NYT and USATODAY, did a piss poor job.

As for Fox News, Shep Smith is IMO the best anchor on TV. He is funny, and completely neutral when relaying the news. He is fair and balanced and I would like you to find one quote, just one, of him being otherwise. Good luck!

BTW there are crappy shows on Fox like Fox N Friends and beltway boys, but there is nothing wrong with Studio B. As for O'reilly, he could be better, but I enjoy his interviews and it makes me think (but I use caution with him as sometimes he does well, and othertimes he doesn't). Bill Kristol also provides insightful commentary to anyone interested in politics.

Don't knock Fox News, they have their strong points and weak points, but they are no CBS, and IMO Studio B and the Fox Report with Shep Smith is way above the NYT's.

[Duke]

So I dropped by the gun store and picked this one up.

http://www.penguinhosting.net/~jpeck/suicide_gun.jpg

[Blarg]

Those things take too long to reload.

[wacki]

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Those things take too long to reload.

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If you have to reload that thing, there is something wrong with you.

[ArchAngel71857]

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The point is not to get even, it is to get ahead. Because somebody will always have more. But you can always have more than you had before. Get as many prizes as you can, as fast as you can. GL. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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That's right, thats why I like the FN P90. It has a 50 round mag.
I think I shall use them the way I use beer.... one for each arm.
What do you think? Safety first, off course.

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/guns_1100px/fn_tw_p90_r.jpg

Do you think Ray Zee's blood is boiling right about now?

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Isn't this the RCP90 from Goldeneye 64?

-AA

[wacki]

"Isn't this the RCP90 from Goldeneye 64?"

Yup. All the guns in that game exist, except the moonraker and golden gun of course.