warlockjd
09-28-2004, 01:00 PM
I think I may have been using erroneous thinking in this area.
I use a pot odds chart as follows:
Outs Flop Turn
1 22.3-1 45.0-1
2 10.9-1 22.0-1
3 7.0-1 14.3-1
4 5.1-1 10.5-1
.
.
.
19 .54-1 1.4-1
20 .48-1 1.3-1
Concern 1: Either my chart or my application of it is off. For example, if I have only a gutshot draw on a rainbow non-paired flop, I have always called if the pot is laying me 5.1-1 (and sometimes a bit less if I am sure I can extract multiple bets on later streets).
In my understanding of Ed Miller's book, he mentions a similar situation (5 small bets in the pot on the flop), and says that if you call you are making an unprofitable call.
If my chart or logic is wrong, I am often and repeatedly making egregious -EV decisions. HELP!!!!
Concern 2: Partial Outs. Generally and repeatedly, If I have AKo on a raggedy flop against 1 or 2 opponents, I will call or raise a bet if the pot is laying me at least 3.9-1, counting all 6 of my outs as good. Am I not discounting my outs enough?
I searched for 'partial+outs' and got nothing, so if anyone can recommend a good thread on these topics I would be very appreciative.
Thanks in advance /images/graemlins/confused.gif
I use a pot odds chart as follows:
Outs Flop Turn
1 22.3-1 45.0-1
2 10.9-1 22.0-1
3 7.0-1 14.3-1
4 5.1-1 10.5-1
.
.
.
19 .54-1 1.4-1
20 .48-1 1.3-1
Concern 1: Either my chart or my application of it is off. For example, if I have only a gutshot draw on a rainbow non-paired flop, I have always called if the pot is laying me 5.1-1 (and sometimes a bit less if I am sure I can extract multiple bets on later streets).
In my understanding of Ed Miller's book, he mentions a similar situation (5 small bets in the pot on the flop), and says that if you call you are making an unprofitable call.
If my chart or logic is wrong, I am often and repeatedly making egregious -EV decisions. HELP!!!!
Concern 2: Partial Outs. Generally and repeatedly, If I have AKo on a raggedy flop against 1 or 2 opponents, I will call or raise a bet if the pot is laying me at least 3.9-1, counting all 6 of my outs as good. Am I not discounting my outs enough?
I searched for 'partial+outs' and got nothing, so if anyone can recommend a good thread on these topics I would be very appreciative.
Thanks in advance /images/graemlins/confused.gif