A Nasty Rash

[naphand]

My play in aggro games continues to concern me. Hence the rash of posts. Hopefully not contagious.

Another LAG/uber-fish table. My opponent here plays 80% of hands and raises 17%. He has caught some amazing hands to win a lot of $$. I have caught little and am losing $$, probably look as LAG as the rest.


Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Naphand is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, MP calls, <font color="CC3333">Naphand raises</font>, SB folds, BB <font color="purple">(LAG)</font> calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
LAG checks, MP checks, <font color="CC3333">Naphand bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">LAG raises</font>, MP folds, <font color="CC3333">Naphand 3-bets</font>, LAG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">LAG bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Naphand raises</font>, LAG calls.

River: (10.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
LAG checks, <font color="CC3333">Naphand bets</font>, LAG calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 12.25 BB, between Naphand and LAG.</font>

Results later.


Anything wrong here? I feel OK about it but doubts remain, esp. the Turn. The Turn could be K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, and the flush surely CR, 2-pair re-raises? Given that possibility, is the River value-bet still good?

[fyodor]

He calls and maybe raises with any diamond or trips.
He also normally calls with worse 2 pair or even 1 pair of Aces.
He folds sometimes though.
Even if you fold to his c/r I think this has to be slightly -ev.

If he never folds and never raises (or you somehow manage to only call the c/r when he is bluffing) it is slightly +ev.

I think checking behind is more correct.

[stripsqueez]

this is a spot where i am going to call a river check raise unless i have the rareish read that tells me its hopeless

i still think its close - perhaps if you think he is prone to raise a small diamond check is best

i think you played it ok

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[tripdad]

i take a totally different approach to LAG defense.

for one thing, you can never put the LAG on a hand. you also never know when they are going to check/raise, then fold to your 3-bet. they are simply unpredictable. unless i am very confident i have much the best of it, i play passively against them. i want to see a showdown against these players.

you do not know where you stand in this hand, no matter what you do. therefore, my line would be as follows:

flop: bet, call the check/raise

turn: call the bet

river: call the bet(he will bet because you have played passively)

had one of your cards been a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, your line would be better.

cheers!

[Grisgra]

If they're all LAG-gy, I just call instead of raising preflop. Seems unlikely on Paradise that you're going to be chasing both of them out, and your hand plays better 4-way than 3-way. Also makes it easier to get away.

[PokerNoob]

He's A3 or A8 and starts fearing AK or a flush when you raise the turn? Or he's ace and little diamond who decides discretion is the better part of valor on the river. I'm not sure I like the turn raise. He's not going anywhere and doesn't seem to really fear you having a nice ace. You can still bet if checked to on the river. I hate being shown a small diamond on the end, but he's really not ever going to fold to a turn raise.

[naphand]

River: (10.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
LAG checks, <font color="CC3333">Naphand bets</font>, LAG calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 12.25 BB, between Naphand and LAG.</font>

Result:
LAG has 3h 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Naphand has Qh As (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: LAG wins 12.25 BB.


Typical of most a lower limits, he was s**t scared of the flush, but cannot fold.

[TJD]

If he is going to fold a set every time someone shows aggression, he will end up a big loser /images/graemlins/smile.gif

He probably does not know where he stands with you and as another poster described, decided to just take a passve line /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Looks like he made a good call for the size of the pot

trevor

[Notbadatall]

He played it well, of course he had to call it on the river. Your bet is better in a 3 way pot there he might fold his set in a middle position but heads up you might just check that river after his check, no chance he will fold a better hand than you and less chance he would call with a worse. He might call with only an A but I guess it is more than 50 % that he has you beat.

[girgy44]

This is party 1/2! That was a great spot for a value bet for sure. I think about value betting that even just with top pair. I was continually amazed at how many bets i was probably missing when I first switched to 1/2 6 max. Now if I have anything that even resembles a value bet I fire away, and I would guess that it is paying off 75-80% of the time.

As I sit here writing this I just had the following hand. I had QQ in the sb, it was 3-bet to me i capped. 3- handed to the flop.

Flop A42r I bet, call, call
Turn A(still r) Bet, call, call
River 2 Bett, call, call

Pot was shipped and HH showed 88 and JJ decided to pay me off.

[naphand]

It was played at Paradise. Somewhat more aggressive than Party and only 5-handed (max). I have run out of words to describe the play at Party $1/2, though "tedious" covers a large chunk of it... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif