K 10s Utg

[radek2166]

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6.40 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB

Hows this look? Table is pasive for the most part. No read on MP2 his second or 3rd hand at the table.

Fold this preflop since I am oop?

[papawawa]

I would definetly check the flop, then depending on the action decide on your next move. Way too often you are dominated here by an opponent playing position on you. I think the preflop call is okay if you're sure you're going to get a lot of other limpers. However if you don't make the 4 flush or 3 flush w/a pair on the flop you should be looking for a reason to fold. He could have a better king, although it seems from the action 2pair or a set is more likely.

[Nottom]

With most of the other players out of the way, I'm comfortable just calling the raise on the flop with TPMK.

The preflop limp is fine at most tables.

Hopefully thiose 9s counterfeited a hand like K7 and you dragged the pot.

[prrthd]

With no raise PF and then a cap on the flop, this sure smells like two pair. K7 probably.

[Nottom]

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too often you are dominated here by an opponent playing position on you

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There are 5 hands that dominate you here ... AA, KK, AK, KQ, KJ ... the first 3 are very unlikely with no raise preflop. Its one thing to check from the blinds with this hand, but at this point you have to go ahead and bet.

[prrthd]

Don't you think he got more info from his 3-bet and then the MP2's cap? If there were a couple callers would you 3-bet?

[radek2166]

Since there was no preflop raise my thinking is bet out on the flop. I was raised so I reraised to see where I was at. He capped OH NO! Now what? Hmmmmm I looked at the pot went in to check down mode. I wll post the results in a bit.

[Nottom]

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Don't you think he got more info from his 3-bet and then the MP2's cap?

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What info is that? The only real info gained is that you are more likely to lose an additional BB now.

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If there were a couple callers would you 3-bet?

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Depends. I'm usually not looking to bloat the pot with TPMK.

[crockett]

I would have:

Pre-Flop: Bet, Flop: Bet, but just called the raise. Turn: The same. River. The same.

Probably too tight-weak eh?

I'm just so worried about a pocket pair....

[prrthd]

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Don't you think he got more info from his 3-bet and then the MP2's cap?

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What info is that? The only real info gained is that you are more likely to lose an additional BB now.


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Could he have took the info from the 3-bet/cap and then check/fold the turn? It sure seems like MP2 has two pair or a set. Is the pot simply too big to even considering folding?

[radek2166]

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows Ks Ts (two pair, kings and nines).
MP2 shows Kh 4h (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.20 BB. </font>

[Jimbobobb]

Given the preflop action, the reasonable hands you are behind on the flop are KQ, KJ, K7, K2, 77, and 22. Most likely I'd say K7 or K2, as everyone on party appears to absolutely love to slow play sets for some odd reason. 3-betting the flop with TpMk seems kind of reckless. I would have most likely called the flop, and led the turn. A raise from MP2 on the turn gives you more information I think, because a lot of players slow down after the cheap street with something they don't see dragging the pot. Check/calling the river seems fine against an unknown. I hope that 9 won it for ya.

[Jimbobobb]

Just read the results - grats he's insane. Add him to your buddy list.

[radek2166]

Thanks for the advice. I think I am real weak preflop. I get two decent cards and you what I do. I here "GET SOME INFO SNAPPERHEAD RAISE SEE WHERE YOU ARTE AT!!!!!!!" In the back of my head /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[B Dids]

Why did you 3-bet the flop?

[sublime]

methinks you lost to a set

EDIT:

LOL, I love partypoker!

[Goon2]

I think the only hand you could have been up against on the flop that would dominate you is KJ. You have to fear two pair, but I think you have to think you have the best hand given this ragged (no draw) board.

[Atropos]

Against good players, you should probably be very worried at the flop. Against party players this play is totally correct, they sometimes will 3bet with second pair//middle pair --&gt; You played this very good.

[prrthd]

Party Poker players never cease to amaze me.

hey wait this isn't even Party. wow.

[B Dids]

Here's the thing.

For the reasons you state- leading out the flop is good. However, once it's been raised back at you, it's hard to give somebody credit for a hand you're ahead of.