call or raise this river?

cfjr2 · #1 10-31-2005, 08:27 PM

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, CO checks, 2 folds, BB raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (10.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

Final Pot: 12.25 BB.

it is possible BB has JQ but more likely Ax Kx - or two large spades. Does anyone raise this after being called down all the way?

#2 10-31-2005, 08:31 PM

This is a pretty easy raise IMO. QJ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or J10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] are pretty unlikely to have been raised from the BB. AA, or AK or something else much more likely.

#3 10-31-2005, 08:32 PM

Raise this baby.

bwana devil · #4 10-31-2005, 08:33 PM

raise. he most likely hit his big cards.

and fold preflop.

cfjr2 · #5 10-31-2005, 08:39 PM

I would normally fold this PF from UTG but this table supports this (this is about as low as I'd go though and only suited)

I am more worried about the river "leak" - is this another bet situation?
Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.

I was worried I was being slowplayed.

I have taken a lot of bad beats on the turn / river by bigger sets, str8s, flushes and think I am mixing up the guidline of don't bet you'll only be called or raised by better hands (?)

bwana devil · #6 10-31-2005, 08:44 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 4.
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

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only call preflop.

bet the river.

i think youre over valuing your hand preflop. after the flop these two hands you played fairly well.

cfjr2 · #7 10-31-2005, 08:58 PM

I raised since it was such late position I wanted to fold out as many as possible and present hi pair - is this wrong?

Sightless · #8 10-31-2005, 09:55 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 4.
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

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only call preflop.

bet the river.

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Why should The hero only call preflop, CO with 44? IMO it's a pretty easy raise from CO with pocket 44 on a normal table If you start the action... you have position and likely the best hand, You can win this if everyone folds... Or if people call and a lot of overacrds come on the flop and there is action it's an easy fold...

cfjr2 · #9 10-31-2005, 10:01 PM

thanks - I thought it was just me [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

bwana devil · #10 10-31-2005, 10:10 PM

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Why should The hero only call preflop, CO with 44? IMO it's a pretty easy raise from CO with pocket 44 on a normal table If you start the action... you have position and likely the best hand, You can win this if everyone folds... Or if people call and a lot of overacrds come on the flop and there is action it's an easy fold...

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yeah, im asleep at the wheel tonight. nevermind my earlier comment. raise away.

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