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Old 09-17-2005, 04:31 PM
mulebennett mulebennett is offline
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Default 20+2, what\'s my line?

no reads, second hand of the tourney... how'd i do?

***** Hand History for Game 2728333278 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:15823799 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, September 17, 16:27:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 13864 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: fuzzysky ( $800 )
Seat 6: quickstorm ( $740 )
Seat 10: poobeard123 ( $890 )
Seat 1: Stefan_T ( $775 )
Seat 8: pbaerwi ( $875 )
Seat 2: rabbiheebman ( $740 )
Seat 9: gn1331 ( $450 )
Seat 5: Hero ( $800 )
Seat 3: tweeker247 ( $1130 )
Seat 7: LOSMAN475 ( $800 )
Trny:15823799 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Hero calls [15].
quickstorm folds.
LOSMAN475 calls [15].
pbaerwi raises [100].
gn1331 folds.
poobeard123 folds.
Stefan_T folds.
rabbiheebman folds.
tweeker247 folds.
fuzzysky folds.
Hero calls [85].
LOSMAN475 calls [85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Hero bets [200].
LOSMAN475 folds.
pbaerwi is all-In [775]

Do I fold here? I figure I win with a spade, 10, A or Q.. 19 outs or so at the flop... so I call

Hero is all-In [500]
** Dealing Turn ** [ J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]

Results in white:
<font color="white"> Hero shows [ As, Qs ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
pbaerwi shows [ Td, Ts ] two pairs, jacks and tens.
pbaerwi wins 75 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, jacks and tens.
pbaerwi wins 1725 chips from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and tens.
Hero finished in tenth place. </font>
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Old 09-17-2005, 05:15 PM
ferb ferb is offline
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Default Re: 20+2, what\'s my line?

how bout fold preflop?
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: 20+2, what\'s my line?

Firstly calling preflop isn't great, I would fold to the hefty raise, but if you want to play OOP as a likely underdog, thats your choice.

Your bet on the flop [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. What's your plan here? Trying to get AK and AQ to fold? In this spot I would check hoping for a free card but if someone bet's I'll checkraise all in.

[ QUOTE ]
Do I fold here? I figure I win with a spade, 10, A or Q.. 19 outs or so at the flop... so I call

[/ QUOTE ]

Counting all of these as outs is pretty wrong. Given your opponents action he probably had from 99-AA or AK or AQ (given his push AK and AQ are unlikely). Certainly you have 9 nut flush outs, You ace out is worth 1, Queen outs are worthless, a T gives you a str8 but villian, may have TT, so say 3 outs. So this is 9+1+3=13 outs. So you are a bit under 50-50 to win this hand. But given the pot size you really can't get away from such a strong drawing hand, so yep go all in.
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:13 AM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: 20+2, what\'s my line?

[ QUOTE ]
Firstly calling preflop isn't great, I would fold to the hefty raise, but if you want to play OOP as a likely underdog, thats your choice.

Your bet on the flop [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. What's your plan here? Trying to get AK and AQ to fold? In this spot I would check hoping for a free card but if someone bet's I'll checkraise all in.

[ QUOTE ]
Do I fold here? I figure I win with a spade, 10, A or Q.. 19 outs or so at the flop... so I call

[/ QUOTE ]

Counting all of these as outs is pretty wrong. Given your opponents action he probably had from 99-AA or AK or AQ (given his push AK and AQ are unlikely). Certainly you have 9 nut flush outs, You ace out is worth 1, Queen outs are worthless, a T gives you a str8 but villian, may have TT, so say 3 outs. So this is 9+1+3=13 outs. So you are a bit under 50-50 to win this hand. But given the pot size you really can't get away from such a strong drawing hand, so yep go all in.

[/ QUOTE ]

This post rocks, please post more often.

And yes, checkraise the flop allin is my default line too for the reasons stated above.
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:18 AM
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His avatar rocks too.

And I also fold preflop...your probably behind, and definatly OOP, no need to spew your chips this early.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:20 AM
Olback Olback is offline
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Default Re: 20+2, what\'s my line?

I fold preflop.

But given that you have called preflop. I proabrly check/fold or check/raise on the flop depending on how the action goes. I used to lean towards checkraising here, but i am starting to think that on a board like that i do not need to gameble on a 50/50 and so can check/fold.
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