A10o OOP

[VoraciousReader]

That is strange...3bet, check?

I think I bet...now let me see if I can figure out why. UTG looks like he's either on a draw or has an A but is scared of his kicker. And I guess SB is likely on a free-card play. (Or maybe 2 pr that wimped out after 2 players called his 3bet?)

I think we are either still ahead here, or have many outs, and I don't want them to draw for nothing, so I bet and hope SB isn't on a checkraise.

[bozlax]

...doesn't want to get C/R'd, so takes a free card.

Hey, that rhymes.

[badbill7]

Flop: (8 SB) 5, Q, A (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD HERE. GUY PROB HAS KQ DIAMONDS OR MAYBE EVEN JUST AJO. EITHER WAY IM NOT SURE CAN VALUE BET HERE WITH UTG. SB COULD HOLD AK HERE, EITHER WAY IM CONCERNED WITH UG MORE THAN THIS GUY NOW. DOES PRESENCE OF UG DISSUADE US FROM VALUE BETTING HERE? ID LIKE TO KNOW. I THINK ITS CLOSE BUT IM LEANIN TOWARDS BETTIN HERE

[bozlax]

Calls, planning to call down UI against an unknown.

Guess the PFR's hand wasn't that great after all, eh?

[VoraciousReader]

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...The preflop call is slightly on the loose side, but basically fine, especially when you consider that button could have been trying to isolate so his range is a little wider than normal.

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I would never cold call with A10o, but I pretty much always play it for one bet out of the BB unless the pre-flop raiser is pretty tight.

Leak?

[chucksim]

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I would never cold call with A10o, but I pretty much always play it for one bet out of the BB unless the pre-flop raiser is pretty tight.

Leak?

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I don't know. I think along these lines. A10o is right on the bubble of "good enough to take one off for one bet in the BB". In this hand, I called because sometimes I'm a bit too tight. I figured the button might be trying a half-baked steal attempt (or maybe didn't even notice that UTG had limped).

The fact that you can wind up in these types of questionable spots is the reason playing it is marginal at best (IMO).

[bozlax]

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...The preflop call is slightly on the loose side, but basically fine, especially when you consider that button could have been trying to isolate so his range is a little wider than normal.

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I would never cold call with A10o, but I pretty much always play it for one bet out of the BB unless the pre-flop raiser is pretty tight.

Leak?

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Like so many things, this is situational. In this case you've got an aggressive preflop raiser in a position where he could be trying to isolate against a weakling; I think you're giving up waaaay too much by not playing here.

[Bodhi]

The button was not described as aggressive in the OP. Anyway, according to the "big-ace" theory of raising, ATo sucks against a typical pfr. The fact that everyone folded to the button does make it stink like a steal, so in this case calling can be ok, just don't get trapped.

[bozlax]

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The button was not described as aggressive in the OP. Anyway, according to the "big-ace" theory of raising, ATo sucks against a typical pfr. The fact that everyone folded to the button does make it stink like a steal, so in this case calling can be ok, just don't get trapped.

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First off, from the OP:

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Button has generally been aggressive.

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Second, there was a limper in EP, then it was folded to Button, so it stinks like an isolation attempt. Pretty much the same idea, but I'd expect Button's cards to be slightly better in the second instance. Still, a large hand range.

And, not getting trapped is why I'm advocating checking when checked to on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

[bozlax]

...raises. You've got top pair with a kicker that needs to be protected, and a backdoor nut-flush draw. One limper and a raise from an aggressive Button preflop doesn't mean anything, nor does an opening bet on a scary board.