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Old 07-23-2005, 05:38 PM
skierdude1000 skierdude1000 is offline
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Default Is it ever ok to bet a flush draw against a lot of people?

[STT] $2 NL 3957285-16 Holdem No Limit 50/100
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Hand Start.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 2 : morpheusroc has $1,060
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 3 : millarosa has $1,860
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 4 : Diese has $3,750
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 5 : TOOMEVARA has $1,020
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 6 : shel has $2,860
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 7 : Boopots has $1,040
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 8 : calmredeyez has $4,530
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 9 : Fr. Smaland has $1,880
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : shel is the dealer.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Boopots posted small blind.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : calmredeyez posted big blind.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Game [16] started with 8 players.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Seat 4 : Diese has Qh Ac
[Jul 23 21:32:56] : Fr. Smaland folded.
[Jul 23 21:32:58] : morpheusroc folded.
[Jul 23 21:32:59] : millarosa called 100
[Jul 23 21:33:02] : Diese called 100 and raised 200
[Jul 23 21:33:02] : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 8 min.
[Jul 23 21:32:42] : TOOMEVARA called 300
[Jul 23 21:32:44] : shel called 300
[Jul 23 21:32:45] : Boopots folded.
[Jul 23 21:32:45] : calmredeyez called 200
[Jul 23 21:32:49] : millarosa called 200
[Jul 23 21:32:49] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 23 21:32:49] : Board cards [8c 2c 5c]
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 8 min.
[Jul 23 21:32:53] : calmredeyez checked.
[Jul 23 21:32:57] : millarosa checked.
[Jul 23 21:33:03] : Diese bet 200
[Jul 23 21:33:07] : TOOMEVARA folded.
[Jul 23 21:33:39] : shel called 200
[Jul 23 21:33:41] : calmredeyez called 200 and raised 200
[Jul 23 21:33:43] : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 8 min.
[Jul 23 21:33:46] : millarosa called 400
[Jul 23 21:33:46] : Diese called 200
[Jul 23 21:33:48] : shel called 200
[Jul 23 21:33:49] : Dealing turn.
[Jul 23 21:33:49] : Board cards [8c 2c 5c Qd]
[Jul 23 21:33:54] : calmredeyez bet 800
[Jul 23 21:34:03] : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 7 min.
[Jul 23 21:34:07] : millarosa called 800
[Jul 23 21:33:40] : Diese called 800
[Jul 23 21:33:40] : shel folded.
[Jul 23 21:33:40] : Dealing river.
[Jul 23 21:33:40] : Board cards [8c 2c 5c Qd 4s]
[Jul 23 21:33:42] : calmredeyez bet 3,030 and is All-in
[Jul 23 21:33:45] : millarosa called 360 and is All-in
[Jul 23 21:33:46] : Diese folded.
[Jul 23 21:33:46] : Showdown!
[Jul 23 21:33:48] : Seat 8 : calmredeyez has 7c Kc
[Jul 23 21:33:48] : calmredeyez has Flush K8752
[Jul 23 21:33:48] : Seat 3 : millarosa has 5d 5h
[Jul 23 21:33:48] : millarosa has 3 of a Kind: 5s
[Jul 23 21:33:48] : calmredeyez wins 6,270 with Flush K8752
[Jul 23 21:33:53] : Stakes: 50/100 Current level: 3 Next level in: 7 min.


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Old 07-23-2005, 05:45 PM
tigerite tigerite is offline
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Default Re: Is it ever ok to bet a flush draw against a lot of people?

Why are you so obsessed with raising AQo preflop?
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Old 07-23-2005, 05:47 PM
skierdude1000 skierdude1000 is offline
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Default Re: Is it ever ok to bet a flush draw against a lot of people?

why not? It's a solid hand.
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:00 PM
tjh tjh is offline
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Default Re: Is it ever ok to bet a flush draw against a lot of people?

In general I will bet a flush draw into a lot of people given the following conditions.

<ul type="square">[*]Nut flush or second nut flush draw [*]I have the chips to afford it. I play UB more chips there. [/list]I may check-raise a nut flush draw if the flop is monotone and therefore I can represent the made flush to a late position min-better who may still be chasing a non-nut flush. Check-raising weakies is risky but a nice way to deal with being out of position.


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Old 07-24-2005, 03:56 AM
jon462 jon462 is offline
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Default Re: Is it ever ok to bet a flush draw against a lot of people?

Do these hands ever take 2 days to play out? If not, why does the website you play at insist on putting the date and hour at each line..
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Old 07-24-2005, 04:52 AM
pergesu pergesu is offline
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Default Re: Is it ever ok to bet a flush draw against a lot of people?

There's a huge difference between flopping a flush draw with suited holecards, and the flop being single-suited with you holding the bare ace of that suit.

You won't get action from smaller flush draws, and when you do hit your flush you don't get paid off by TP or two pair. Sometimes by the king-high flush, cause he can't stand to get bluffed out, and rarely anything worse.

The min-raise should scare you. You should know you're beat, and try to play the rest of the hand as cheaply as possible until you hit a flush.

As for raising AQ cause it's a "solid hand"...well, it becomes a lot less solid when you play it out of position against four opponents for a raise. So I wouldn't get overly excited about it. I dump it preflop in your position, and if I play it's certainly not going to be for a raise. On the off chance I do raise, it's going to be bigger than what is essentially a min raise, given the amount currently in the pot.
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