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Old 07-20-2005, 12:39 PM
kurosh kurosh is offline
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Default Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

Hypothetical situation: 109 or 215 level. You both have 1k. Someone in EP raises to 60. You reraise to 150 with QQ. They move in. Do you lay it down?

Actual hand I had at 109. Level 1. It's the 3rd hand so mostly everyone has 1k. UTG raises to 50. MP calls. SB raises to 175. I'm in the BB with QQ. What do I do?

I called but I think it was wrong.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:43 PM
mlagoo mlagoo is offline
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

I think in the first situation it's a push. I can't see someone playing AA or KK in that way (certainly not AA.. KK is possible), so really the only hand you're worried about is AK -- but there are other this move could be made with as well.

The second situation is more difficult. I think I call as well, but I can't really decide. I can't find a fold here. Maybe a call followed by a fold after a push from either UTG or the MP flat-caller? That's my line. Or, actually, that would be my line in a 109 or 215 -- in the lower SNGs that I play, I would just push here.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

I haven't. When I do I think I will be a much better player than I am today.
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Old 07-20-2005, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

In 4000+ 55's and 109's I've folded QQ preflop once in early rounds, and that was after a raise, huge raise and push from 3 people.

Steve
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Old 07-20-2005, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

I'd fold it if for example there is raise to 60, re-raise to 150 and re-reraise to 300 before me.
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Old 07-20-2005, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

1st situation: I call. Sounds like AK.

2nd situation: I call. If original raiser pushes (or re-raises) and is called, I fold. If he just calls, I probably push any flop without an A or a K.
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:18 PM
johnegolfer johnegolfer is offline
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

I folded this earlier today...

JE

PokerStars Game #2145442166: Tournament #10283566, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/07/20 - 10:59:40 (ET)
Table '10283566 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: betoroper (1930 in chips)
Seat 2: JayScoots (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: Lucky3Aces (1040 in chips)
Seat 4: johnegolfer (1375 in chips)
Seat 5: mgcasper (1250 in chips)
Seat 6: Slick Joker (2310 in chips)
Seat 7: keith48 (2135 in chips)
Seat 8: undertones (990 in chips)
Seat 9: sneakamon (1150 in chips)
Slick Joker: posts small blind 15
keith48: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnegolfer [Qh Qc]
undertones: folds
sneakamon: folds
betoroper: folds
JayScoots: folds
Lucky3Aces: calls 30
johnegolfer: raises 90 to 120
mgcasper: folds
Slick Joker: folds
keith48: raises 180 to 300
Lucky3Aces: raises 740 to 1040 and is all-in
johnegolfer: folds
keith48: calls 740
*** FLOP *** [Th Qs Jh]
*** TURN *** [Th Qs Jh] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Th Qs Jh Ks] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
keith48: shows [Ad Ah] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Lucky3Aces: shows [9d Td] (a straight, Nine to King)
keith48 collected 2215 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2215 | Rake 0
Board [Th Qs Jh Ks 8d]
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:22 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

ah, the old limp-reraise with T9. i haven't folded QQ pre-flop in the 30's yet, but i did flat call one time.
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:25 PM
johnegolfer johnegolfer is offline
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

the big blind raise scared me more than the limper did. Just didn't feel like BB was stealing. I am wrong at least as much as I am right though...JE
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever lay down QQ PF in level 1 and 2?

mlago,, I think people could certainly play AA or KK like that, why not?

I would push in all cases
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