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Old 07-15-2005, 11:12 AM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
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Default $109s - Real Ugly BB Hand

I have ADD.
Villain doubled up once on 55 all-in PF, once on 88 all-in PF.
At least I didn't have to show it down. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed) converter

SB (t2420)
Hero (t1850)
UTG (t355)
MP (t1250)
CO (t1670)
Button (t2455)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t40</font>, SB calls t40.

Turn: (t140) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t80</font>, SB calls t80.

River: (t300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t300</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t750
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Old 07-15-2005, 11:15 AM
wuwei wuwei is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Real Ugly BB Hand

6 handed in level 2? nice.

I usually drop it after the flop call. If he checks behind on the turn, I'll bet a non-spade river.

edit: This is a situation where the speed of the call on the flop might lead me to play it like you did.
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Old 07-15-2005, 11:35 AM
wiggs73 wiggs73 is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Real Ugly BB Hand

I would just check/fold the flop or whatever other street it happens on. Blinds are so insignificant, I just don't see any need to get involved.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: $109s - Real Ugly BB Hand

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I would just check/fold the flop or whatever other street it happens on. Blinds are so insignificant, I just don't see any need to get involved.

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I agree with this. I've gotten into much more trouble than it's been worth trying to push out what you know is very likely to be a mediocre holding. Just not worth it, especially against the typical call-station/donk.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:54 PM
willbb99 willbb99 is offline
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Default Re: $109s - Real Ugly BB Hand

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I would just check/fold the flop or whatever other street it happens on. Blinds are so insignificant, I just don't see any need to get involved.

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I agree with this. I've gotten into much more trouble than it's been worth trying to push out what you know is very likely to be a mediocre holding. Just not worth it, especially against the typical call-station/donk.

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My thoughts exactly
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:44 PM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
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Villain doubled up once on 55 all-in PF, once on 88 all-in PF.

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I believe that developing the discipline to not bluff these types of opponents, even in a really good spot, has helpped me improve. If he goes all in pf with 55, why would he fold king high or a gutshot to your bet?
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:57 PM
The Venetian The Venetian is offline
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6 handed in level 2? nice.

I usually drop it after the flop call. If he checks behind on the turn, I'll bet a non-spade river.

edit: This is a situation where the speed of the call on the flop might lead me to play it like you did.

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This would be my line. Check-check the turn, then re-evaluate how he responds on river. No harm in taking a shot at the flop, though, like you did.
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:59 PM
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Yeah, it definitely gives me a better read on what type of holding he has. If it goes check/check and he checks the river, its mine. The way I played it, I can't read anything into his check because I've been the aggressor the whole hand. I just feel like checking behind on the turn with these stacks is inconsistent with a made hand on my part. Then again, I do have nothing... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-15-2005, 02:11 PM
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I have always felt that check-folding these early SB-BB pots trains the SB that he can limp harmlessly against me with hands he won't defend for a raise. This is often worth T200-300 later when I snap him off. I adapted to this strategy after reviewing too many hands where I fell victim to FPS in the blinds.
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Old 07-15-2005, 02:13 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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If it goes check/check and he checks the river, its mine.

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in that case i would check behind and try to beat a flush draw / straight draw. i don't think he's folding a 5 there, and i don't think he has a 3. i'd take one stab and give up. i'd like the bets better if you had something more like J high.

edit: but i still wouldn't like them much
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