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#1
04-14-2005, 01:13 PM
 ben_ Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23
Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

An interesting question i stubbled apon today.

Your bank balance stands at £100.00. You may place up to this amount on one of the following bets. You can stop betting at any time.
You can place a maximum of 20 bets.

The four betting options are as follows:

1)A 100% chance of winning 1.04 times your stake.
2)A 50% chance of winning 2 times your stake.
3)A 33% chance of winning 3 times your stake.
4)A 10% chance of winning 20 times your stake.

So statistically, which is the best route to take to gain the most money?

Cheers
#2
04-14-2005, 02:12 PM
 Paul2432 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bryn Mawr, PA USA Posts: 374
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

Can you change the amount you bet? If so, I take option 2 and bet 25% of my balance each time.

Paul
#3
04-14-2005, 02:19 PM
 ben_ Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

yes you can bet any amount.
#4
04-14-2005, 06:57 PM
 Siegmund Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 415
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

We need a bit of clarification on the problem statement. Two questions for you. First,

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1)A 100% chance of winning 1.04 times your stake.
2)A 50% chance of winning 2 times your stake.
3)A 33% chance of winning 3 times your stake.
4)A 10% chance of winning 20 times your stake.

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1) seems to mean "turn \$100 into \$104 for a sure \$4 profit", that is, 1.04 for 1, not 1.04 to 1.

Does 2) mean "50% of the time I lose \$100, 50% of the time I get \$200", or "Pay \$100 for a 50% chance of getting \$200"?
Similarly for 3 and 4.

Secondly, this has several interpretations:
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So statistically, which is the best route to take to gain the most money?

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Largest expected value at the end? Largest expected value with a fixed probability of going bankrupt? Best chance of reaching a set target? The answer to each is different.

Under the first interpretation of your wagers above, each proposition has the following EV and SD per \$100 wagered:

1) EV\$4, SD\$0
2) EV\$50, SD\$150
3) EV\$32, SD\$188.09
4) EV\$110, SD\$630

Type 3 wagers are always wrong. The choice between 1, 2, and 4 depends on the level of risk you're willing to accept in exchange for an increased chance of winning.

For simple maximum expectation, everything on 4 every time -- but 1 chance in 10^20 of having 20^20 dollars is not most people's cup of tea.

The Kelly system says to bet 5.5% of your roll on #4 at every turn (the Kelly-sized bet on #2, 25% of your roll each turn, gives a better rate of return than #1, but not as good as #4).
#5
04-15-2005, 12:43 AM
 Moonsugar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 170
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

interesting problem i couldn't decide which to put first as my picks of first and second i could easily have switched

but: w/o making some math formula to figure it out i think the best solution is probably to bet ~5% on option 4 repeatedly.

second best is probably to bet 100% on option 1 repeatedly

options 2 and 3 are very close to each other and worse than option 1

hope im close [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
#6
04-15-2005, 08:17 AM
 kiddj Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 221
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

I'm not a big "risk" person. I'll take option A and bet evrything 20 times. End result: (1.04^20)*100 = 219.11, 119.11 profit.
#7
04-15-2005, 09:06 AM
 Paul2432 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bryn Mawr, PA USA Posts: 374
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

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The Kelly system says to bet 5.5% of your roll on #4 at every turn (the Kelly-sized bet on #2, 25% of your roll each turn, gives a better rate of return than #1, but not as good as #4).

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#4 will have higher ROI, but will make less money because the wagers are much smaller. For instance, on the first trial, EV of #2 is \$12.50, while EV of #4 is \$6.05.

That is why I said take #2 and bet 25% in my OP.

Paul
#8
04-15-2005, 04:32 PM
 Siegmund Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 415
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

Hehe... slippery fingers on the calculator strike again.
Yes, #2 at 25% is the better Kelly bet.
#9
04-15-2005, 11:01 PM
 sfwusc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Moving out of the kiddie Pool Posts: 742
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

I think I would do \$25 on #2 20 times. Seems like the best from simple math...assuming lower risk.

all on 4 every time would get you the most EV,,,,but you need a lot of good variance.

SFWUSC
#10
04-16-2005, 02:24 AM
 elitegimp Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: boulder, CO Posts: 14
Re: Which method would yeild the greatest net result?

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I think I would do \$25 on #2 20 times. Seems like the best from simple math...assuming lower risk.

all on 4 every time would get you the most EV,,,,but you need a lot of good variance.

SFWUSC

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except when you calculate the EV of this bet, you need to account for the (66%) chance you lose all your money on the first four bets

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