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Old 10-22-2004, 08:23 PM
charlie_t_jr charlie_t_jr is offline
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Default I\'m A Poker Expert!

This is the 1st time I've got all 8 questions right.

http://www.cgtv.com/games/column/102004/index.shtml

Suppose its a no brainer for those who have read SSH.
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Old 10-23-2004, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: I\'m A Poker Expert!

I'm a champ too. Guess it's kinda cheesy to do this after reading SSH and working hard on studying it. I'd probably have hit 3-4 right answers pre-SSH.

My short poker career can be divided in two. Pre and post SSH.
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: I\'m A Poker Expert!

the flop is T 9 x with one club and you have KJs of clubs.

On the turn falls a piece of cheese.

I'm taking the free card here, because that defeats the purpsose of raising on the flop to an improving turn card.
It ruins my effective odds and the purpose of my flop raise.

I'm essentially raising the flop to see 2 cards.

Also. There is almost a null chance of him laying down on the turn if he bet the flop.

What hands do you think he'll fold here on the turn.

I don't think the bet is correct.

What do others think?
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: I\'m A Poker Expert!

Also. There is almost a null chance of him laying down on the turn if he bet the flop.

If this were true, then betting would be wrong. But it isn't true.
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: I\'m A Poker Expert!

I got one wrong, but I feel OK to admit it. I made the right play but for the wrong reasons. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

These get updated monthly, right?
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:13 PM
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Ed the reason why I say this is because he bet the flop....

He bet the flop on a T 9 5 board and called a raise.

Now on the turn falls a 3. with 2 suits.

Its almost highly unlikey he's folding here and not seeing the river.

If he had checked...... the flop and you bet, then you can make an argument for betting the turn because the chances that he folds maybe be a tiny bit higher than null.

Would I be wrong to take a free river card and not bet the turn? How much of an error is this?
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:27 PM
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Its almost highly unlikey he's folding here and not seeing the river.

I'm sorry Mikey, but that's just not true. I can't prove it to you other than to say, "Go try it out," but often the flop bettor will have a small pair or ace-high (especially online) and will fold it on the turn.

Frankly, I don't understand when people say stuff like this, because it flies totally in the face of all of my experience. People fold all the time on the turn after betting the flop. I'd suggest you watch online games for a while, note who bets the flop, and watch to see how often that player folds on the turn and river. You'll find that it happens frequently. Not all the time or even the majority of the time, but it's quite common.

Would I be wrong to take a free river card and not bet the turn? How much of an error is this?

If more than one player had called you on the flop, taking the free card would probably be better in general. So against one player taking a free card can be no disaster. But you will often win this hand without a showdown, so it is clearly right to bet again.
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Old 10-23-2004, 06:28 PM
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These get updated monthly, right?

Every four weeks now... so slightly more often than monthly. This one just went up a couple of days ago. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-23-2004, 07:51 PM
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"I'm sorry Mikey, but that's just not true. I can't prove it to you other than to say, "Go try it out," but often the flop bettor will have a small pair or ace-high (especially online) and will fold it on the turn."

I agree with this statement although I believe its being taken out of context when the flop is T 9 5r. This flop although it is rainbow hits many type of card combinations. That is why I feel it is essential to take the 2 free cards with the flop raise. You have to look at the board texture.

Some flop boards give you more leverage but with this board specifically because it touches many hand combinations I feel in my experience that by betting the turn almost defeats the purpose of the flop raise.

"People fold all the time on the turn after betting the flop."

This statement is not 100% true and I believe you can agree with me on that but, the percentage of the time when someone does fold on the turn is not when the board is coordiated like this and you have been bet into on the flop being the preflop agressor.
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Old 10-23-2004, 08:19 PM
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. Ten seconds worth of math would have saved you from making a terrific mistake.

as opposed to a terrible mistake? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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