First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

[adanthar]

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My best piece of info would be if I had a note on him. You don't have it this time, but if this went to showdown you should have one now. I've got a lot of notes that say "Played like AA, was AK" or "Played like AA, was AA" or some such.

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That would be half of why I wouldn't fold, the chance that he has AK/nothing being the other half.

I'd call, see a flop, and decide there (yes, there are some aceless flops I would simply fold on.)

[ilya]

I would fold this against Quasi. He's very tight and straightforward early. But then again I've folded KK twice preflop (neither time on the bubble) in the last week, so I may overdo it a bit.

[1C5]

If Harrington doesn't lie and says he is not good enough to ever fold KK PF (or have a good enough read, I forget how the said it), and you have folded them in $22 SnGs twice on the last week, you may be giving opponents too much credit. (Even good oponents)

[ilya]

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If Harrington doesn't lie and says he is not good enough to ever fold KK PF (or have a good enough read, I forget how the said it), and you have folded them in $22 SnGs twice on the last week, you may be giving opponents too much credit. (Even good oponents)

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I am sure Harrington is lying and has folded KK preflop many times.

[1C5]

Haha, probably.

[1C5]

I will be a better player when I can say I can fold KK PF.

The problem is, when I want to fold, they often have AA like I thought, but at least 50% of the time, they have AK, QQ or worse.

So, I guess my read has to be really, really right to consider folding.

[microbet]

Has anyone except maybe Hellmuth ever made a televised fold of KK preflop?

[Gramps]

Here's another "it's gotta be Aces" hand I had tonight - I would have folded except I have a rule where I don't fold KK preflop (absent some extreme circumstance that I have not encounted yet in > 15,000 SNGs).

***** Hand History for Game 3207908336 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:18313878 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, December 15, 22:02:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 66906 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Well_Sh_t ( $900 )
Seat 2: NutsStayNuts ( $1245 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $900 )
Seat 4: jh9477 ( $1065 )
Seat 5: shadyrooroo ( $935 )
Seat 7: Phish_Stix ( $2080 )
Seat 8: doeson888 ( $1205 )
Seat 9: wildman22222 ( $1105 )
Seat 10: poffic ( $565 )
Trny:18313878 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Kh ]
jh9477 raises [60].
shadyrooroo folds.
Phish_Stix folds.
doeson888 calls [60].
wildman22222 folds.
poffic raises [300].
Well_Sh_t folds.
NutsStayNuts raises [550].
Hero is all-In [870]
poffic: uups
jh9477 folds.
doeson888 folds.
poffic is all-In [265]
NutsStayNuts: i must have a 2 outer
NutsStayNuts calls [335].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 5h, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
NutsStayNuts shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and sixes.
Hero shows [ Kd, Kh ] a flush, king high.
poffic shows [ Ah, Kc ] a flush, ace high.
Hero wins 670 chips from side pot #1 with a flush, king high.
poffic wins 1815 chips from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.

[curtains]

Gramps what if I knwe that YOU were nutsstaynuts....i mean youd basically have to have exactly AA. If you knew that was me, would you still thnik it makes sense to follow your rule?

[Gramps]

It's more just a thing that I play 8+ tables at once. I don't have time to do the analysis to make a fancy fold, and I see so much crap in Level 1&2 at even the 215s, that I just go down swinging with my KK. If you do that every time (go to war PF with KK), I doubt you'll even make one mistake per 1,000 SNGs played.