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Old 12-29-2005, 10:21 PM
DeadManJay DeadManJay is offline
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Default Re: QQ and a fish: c/f this flop?

Thats exactly what I would think, and thats why I have trouble betting this turn. This guy is a fish, as OP said, so we expect him to call turn even if he has nothing. If I think I'm behind on this turn, which I do, I can't bet it.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:29 PM
Buckmulligan Buckmulligan is offline
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Default Re: QQ and a fish: c/f this flop?

do you know that being a fish means that he has a larger calling range? Do you know that a larger calling range entitles you to bet more liberally? From what you have said, villain will call the turn with weaker hands and draws. We don't bet the river because he folds a lot of those draws.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: QQ and a fish: c/f this flop?

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From what you have said, villain will call the turn with weaker hands and draws.

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This is the problem I had: he didn't call the turn, he bet it. I based my laydown almost completely on his aggression factor stats. I've started to use AF more (broke down by street on the HUD per Easypete's suggestion in this forum) to get a feel for betting patterns... With a VP$IP that high, and an AF of .3, man, a guy like that only bets when he has something he's not afraid of betting. From what I've seen, most fish with those kind of stats will check when it's checked to them if they are drawing to something. Many will check with just a lower pair. A flop like this and he feels like he can bet into 2 guys that both raised preflop? Will a fish with his stats really bet in this situation with anything less than top pair or a set?
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:19 PM
Buckmulligan Buckmulligan is offline
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Default Re: QQ and a fish: c/f this flop?

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Will a fish with his stats really bet in this situation with anything less than top pair or a set?

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maybe and thats not the point. When you act before him on the turn you are not entitled to the information of whether or not he will bet. Therefore, from ywhat you know, you bet.
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ and a fish: c/f this flop?

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Will a fish with his stats really bet in this situation with anything less than top pair or a set?

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maybe and thats not the point. When you act before him on the turn you are not entitled to the information of whether or not he will bet. Therefore, from ywhat you know, you bet.

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This thinking is from TOP, I think. When you're not afraid of getting raised, and you're going to call if he bets, it's better to bet yourself.
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