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#12
10-03-2005, 09:57 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. [/ QUOTE ] Would you have raised if the turn card was a blank? 
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#13
10-03-2005, 10:04 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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[ QUOTE ] I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. [/ QUOTE ] Would you have raised if the turn card was a blank? [/ QUOTE ] I think you'll find no one would have raised here. Even if a blank comes you're unlikely to fold a pair (which you're probably behind to at the moment).
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#14
10-03-2005, 10:06 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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All right. If MP2 turned over A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or something on the river, then I guess your play probably won you the pot. I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. Edit: By the way, wouldn't firing a follow-up bluff on the river have been more consistent? [/ QUOTE ] do u think any better hand that called the turn C/R would fold for one bet on the river?
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#15
10-03-2005, 10:09 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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[ QUOTE ] I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. [/ QUOTE ] Would you have raised if the turn card was a blank? [/ QUOTE ] No, I don't think I would have. I guess the checkraise does represent a slowplayed monster like TT, and I'll admit that no one has shown consistent interest in the hand. But the board hits the limping zone fairly well. It seems to me that if you're checkraising the turn, you're hoping MP2 is semibluffing with a draw and you can drive the others out and get heads-up. UTG+2 may have a draw of his own and cold-call with it, though, which would complicate things. Also, I suspect MP2 has a hand with some showdown value. I know he got checked to, but he is betting into three players who called the flop, after all.
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#16
10-03-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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[ QUOTE ] All right. If MP2 turned over A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or something on the river, then I guess your play probably won you the pot. I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. Edit: By the way, wouldn't firing a follow-up bluff on the river have been more consistent? [/ QUOTE ] do u think any better hand that called the turn C/R would fold for one bet on the river? [/ QUOTE ] Something like 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] might. Maybe even 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] would. (I'd kind of have expected a flop raise from the A9o, though.) Since I can't see what people are folding at the table, though, to some extent I can only guess what MP2 might let go on the river. I suspect he'd call with most pairs and make Hero show his slowplayed monster (or his strangely played flush). But maybe, instead, Villain would fear a monster enough to give up unimproved on the river.
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#17
10-03-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. [/ QUOTE ] Would you have raised if the turn card was a blank? [/ QUOTE ] No, I don't think I would have. [/ QUOTE ] What would you have done if the turn was a blank and it was checked to MP2 who bet? Fold?
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#18
10-03-2005, 10:26 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
Its never standard to get tricky in a multiway pot with plenty of draws available when the pot is of a medium size.
I think 6 outs is a little too optimistic. I think it is fewer. If the pot were bigger it might be worth a raise to increase your chances of winning and buy outs (if someone folds a smallish club) On the turn, folding>raising>calling. But the other posters are being far too critical of you. At least you are thinking and not being weak-tight. Its right to play aggressively in big pots, but I don't think this one is big enough given the chances of your winning. Did it work this time? I hope the guy didn't have A4o.
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#19
10-03-2005, 10:29 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not saying your turn play will never work, but I wouldn't have made it. [/ QUOTE ] Would you have raised if the turn card was a blank? [/ QUOTE ] No, I don't think I would have. [/ QUOTE ] What would you have done if the turn was a blank and it was checked to MP2 who bet? Fold? [/ QUOTE ] Most likely, yes. I doubt I have the best hand, and I don't completely trust my outs.
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#20
10-03-2005, 10:40 AM
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Re: Turn check-raise w/ overcards. Standard?
Not standard. Check-fold the turn, particularly given your lack of a club.
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