What I do not respect in Poker

[Bodhi]

I do not respect one-card-straights and one-card flushes. I feel dirty when I make one, and think worse of my opponent when he makes one. Apparently, I am not the only one who is affected by them, as a friend of mine insists that if you're drawing to a one-card-nut-straight you should count it as 7 outs and not 9. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Convince me that these are good for the game.

[Pepsquad]

Today I got all-in with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] vs. A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Flop came 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

You're damn skippy I felt justified when the turn [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] river [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] gave me the nut flush.

A hand is a hand is a hand.

Pep.

[Bodhi]

That's different because AT doesn't deserve to win the hand in the first place. Imagine it the other way around where he makes the one card flush (and imagine the your AK is suited).

[Pepsquad]

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That's different because AT doesn't deserve to win the hand in the first place. Imagine it the other way around where he makes the one card flush (and imagine the your AK is suited).

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You're right. Those situations suck.

[TripleH68]

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AT doesn't deserve to win the hand in the first place.

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I find this the most interesting part of this thread.

[Dominic]

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AT doesn't deserve to win the hand in the first place.

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I find this the most interesting part of this thread.

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I found it laughable.

[jskills]

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AT doesn't deserve to win the hand in the first place.

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I find this the most interesting part of this thread.

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I found it laughable.

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Same here. No hand "deserves" anything. Every hand is completely different and gets what it "deserves" through pure random chance. Our job is to attempt to correctly navigate the various decisions we're presented with in the course of play and be able to live with them afterwards - regardless of the outcome ...

[Pocket Trips]

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That's different because AT doesn't deserve to win the hand in the first place. Imagine it the other way around where he makes the one card flush (and imagine the your AK is suited).

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No hand "deserves" to win. A hand is just a either a statistical favorite or dog vs. another hand. When you start feeling you "deserve" to win a hand because you had the better starting hand, it only leads to misplaying hands.

Look at it this way. If the hand given as an example was not all-in preflop would the player with AK be correct in calling an all-in bet post flop? If you called an all-in bet with no pair and only a back door flush draw you "deserve" to lose b/c you made a bad call for all your chips with what was the best starting hand but should now be obvious is no longer best, and that is definately a -EV decision.

All you can do in poker is make the best possible decision with the information available to you AT THE PRESENT MOMEMENT. If you make more correct decisions you will make money in the long run, but making the correct decision does not always entitle you to the pot.

PT

[coffeecrazy1]

You know, when someone makes a comment about a hand "deserving" to win, I find it works to look them right in the eye, and say in my gruffest tone of voice, "'Deserves' got nothing to do with it," a la Unforgiven .

[Bodhi]

Yeah, you all are right that my use of the word gives away something about me psychologically, something that isn't quite right.

Anyway, maybe a better way to put it is to say that one card flushes and straights do not encourage selectivity regarding starting hands?