10/20 KK laydown - weak?

[sully4321]

i go broke on this hand.
that's probably why i am playing $10+1 SNGs and $50 NL.

results?

[Raydain]

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So you call planning on folding an undercard flop?

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I think it's better than folding preflop.

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if you dont see why this is wrong you are in trouble.

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If you play exclusively for set value, you have to call $300 to win a potential $3000. You think that is worse than folding?

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I believe it's about $300 to win around $2400($775 pot preflop w/ 1600 behind villian) so if you call you are knowingly going against pot odds.

Anyway, a call is still the best move and has already been stated why.

[captZEEbo1]

this fold is bad. UTG has no clue what you have, and probably just wants to get heads up with a shortstack idiot. If I was utg, I'd make that reraise almost every time with anything I wouldn't mind going heads up with a shortstack (ie any pair or AQ or AK). I think you should be pushing (or making it like 1200 or so) after the utg's reraise.

[cero_z]

Hi 4King,

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em,

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Yes.

[flawless_victory]

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If you play exclusively for set value, you have to call $300 to win a potential $3000. You think that is worse than folding?

[/ QUOTE ]I KNOW IT IS WAAAAY WORSE.
i am right here so think about it for a minute.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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If you play exclusively for set value, you have to call $300 to win a potential $3000. You think that is worse than folding?

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i am right here so think about it for a minute.

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OK, I'm wrong. But it should be a call. About that, I was right. Which was my initial reaction.

[amoeba]

your call of the original raise was to keep UTG in the hand right?

[Mikey]

Reraise 1/2 the size of the pot $400, if he goes all in, RUN!

[flawless_victory]

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If you play exclusively for set value, you have to call $300 to win a potential $3000. You think that is worse than folding?

[/ QUOTE ]I KNOW IT IS WAAAAY WORSE.
i am right here so think about it for a minute.

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OK, I'm wrong. But it should be a call. About that, I was right. Which was my initial reaction.

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[FourKing Hell]

Thanks for the replies so far.

I flatcalled the reraise because I wanted UTG to get involved. When he subsequently did, I changed my mind, chickened out and folded. It did occur to me that I would likely make the same play with a hand like queens or AK, but I folded anyway.

As someone else (iceman5?) also mentioned out in the Diablo thread, in my experience a re-reraise more often than not means AA. Especially if the third raise is put in by the same player that made the initial raise. Even more so if the initial raise is a little small(ish). The only times I played KK for all my money in these situations has been when I was on severe tilt, and I have always run into AA.

What made this situation different, which I failed to take into account, was the short stack involved. The raise was meant to get all in with the shorty, after I showed weakness - not to play for a third raise against another 100BB stack.

In this case, I was 'lucky'. UTG had jacks, but CO had aces and took it down. UTG would likely have tossed his Jacks whether I raised or not, as the flop came AQT. I do realize that this is totally irrelevant information, but the trend here seems to be that people want results.