Too weak? (22s)

puzzlemoney · #1 12-13-2005, 03:32 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter

MP1 (t745)
MP2 (t965)
CO (t935)
Button (t630)
SB (t700)
BB (t775)
UTG (t850)
Hero (t2400)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls t30, MP1 raises to t125, 5 folds, Hero calls t95.

Flop: (t295) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 calls t620 (All-In), Hero folds.

He's telling me he has QQ-AA, but a strong opponent might push w/AK here. Is folding too weak? I've been playing more tables at once lately, and I think it's causing me to miss out on some chips early that would help me on the bubble, so I'm trying to pay attention to my level 2-3 play.

I flagged this as I was playing as an uncomfortable fold, but looking back at it, it seems completely standard. Am I wrong?

Also, feel free to rip me about limping preflop. I've stopped limping with pairs smaller than 9s early. Should I stop doing it with 9s as well?

junkmail3 · #2 12-13-2005, 03:43 PM

Eh, he may be on a flush draw, but I'm okay with letting this one go.

I know of a poster or two who will push a flop like this with an overpair as well.

Limping preflop is fine, you can play it either way. (I like to raise it, but I don't think limping is a problem)

tewall · #3 12-13-2005, 04:03 PM

I don't like calling the PF raise. I think I'd let it go, but I can see raising as a possibility, especially if you have a read on the raiser. When you first limp in, you're playing for set value. When he raises, he's made your implied odds much worse.

The problem with calling the all-in bet is that even a flush draw with no pair is a favorite against you, if Villain's two clubs are higher than 9. Also if he has two clubs, and one of them is the Jack, he's got you absolutely crushed.

downtown · #4 12-13-2005, 04:08 PM

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I've stopped limping with pairs smaller than 9s early.

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Why? Do you mean just in EP? In the 22s, I would play all pairs down to 22 if I thought I could limp along and had proper odds to hit my set.

In the hand you posted, I think I would probably lay down to the pf raise. This hand is about to suck, starting with when you have to play OOP on the flop, as you found out.

puzzlemoney · #5 12-13-2005, 04:16 PM

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I've stopped limping with pairs smaller than 9s early.

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Why? Do you mean just in EP? In the 22s, I would play all pairs down to 22 if I thought I could limp along and had proper odds to hit my set.

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Oops. Sorry, I meant early position, not early in the tourney. I happily limp any small pair when I can. I also call annoying minraises; lately; though, I've tightened up what pairs I'll play in earlier seats, especially UTG and UTG+1.

Deuce2High · #6 12-13-2005, 04:17 PM

I raise 99 here with your stack. I probably call this bet with your stack as well.

At a normal stack size folding smaller pairs in level 2 EP is fine and I think correct. I even do this in the 1000 chippers.

#7 12-13-2005, 04:18 PM

In this position I'd probably fold 22-66. I'd limp with 9s and fold to the raise in a HU pot OOP.

#8 12-13-2005, 05:43 PM

With a healthy M, I like raising 99 as well. I think it defines opponents' hands better. It can end up being an early blind steal or if not, I think that generally, the only hands that CALL that have you badly beat are TT and JJ. You may get calls from underpairs or overcards but I think a re-raise indicates QQ-AA and you can exit without having to play OOP.

junkmail3 · #9 12-13-2005, 06:07 PM

Is healthy M a cereal?

#10 12-13-2005, 08:05 PM

No. That's Preparation H.